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The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime
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RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime
(April 27, 2015 at 3:58 am)Chimoshi Wrote: I was discussing the Big Bang with a Christian friend of mine, when he mentioned he couldn't believe in a universe without a creator because spacetime did not exist prior to the Big Bang, and he had no other explanation for the spontaneous existence of spacetime. To me, the "we can't explain it, therefore God", logic seems obviously flawed. He does, however, make a valid point. If spacetime didn't exist before the Big Bang, then nothing could have led up to its existence. The only logical conclusion is that the first existence of spacetime was spontaneous. It didn't exist, and then, without any cause, it did.

I know we are delving into what is currently beyond human knowledge, but can someone please try to explain how this might be possible?

It seems to me actually don't know whether space time really is the most fundamental substrate of reality that can be probed.    So we are not in a position to opine, if space time indeed didn't exist, what could happen and how it could happen.  But there is no reason to say we can't be in such a position in the future.

Christians say we don't know, therefore there is the idiot's opportunity for God.  Having a God is so dear to them they would prefer to preserve the idiot's opportunity for God by not ever finding out.  We say find out, and let the chips fall where they may.
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The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Chimoshi - April 27, 2015 at 3:58 am
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Aoi Magi - April 27, 2015 at 4:19 am
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Alex K - April 27, 2015 at 4:36 am
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by pocaracas - April 27, 2015 at 5:03 am
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Pyrrho - April 27, 2015 at 10:12 am
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Alex K - April 27, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Pyrrho - April 27, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Alex K - April 27, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Anomalocaris - April 27, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Chad32 - April 27, 2015 at 10:27 am
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by robvalue - April 27, 2015 at 10:31 am
The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by KUSA - April 27, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Pyrrho - April 27, 2015 at 12:11 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Alex K - April 27, 2015 at 12:13 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Pyrrho - April 27, 2015 at 12:58 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Alex K - April 27, 2015 at 2:24 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Cyberman - April 27, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Alex K - April 27, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Alex K - April 27, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Alex K - April 27, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Alex K - April 27, 2015 at 6:38 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Pyrrho - April 27, 2015 at 6:41 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Alex K - April 27, 2015 at 6:42 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Alex K - April 27, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by pocaracas - April 27, 2015 at 5:49 pm
RE: The Spontaneous Beginning of Spacetime - by Spooky - April 27, 2015 at 6:14 pm

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