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What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?
October 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm
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I think that , Darwin hypothesis is a logic 'interpret' for the beginning and Evolution of all organists , and all objections to it were found to be weak . this hypothesis lead us to some questions to complete the whole picture; if the beginning was some 'molecules and atoms ' which combined together to constitute some biological cells ( by accident ) , and these cells started to multiply and produce different organists , and evolution occurred due to the " natural selection " and\or, due to the variations of the surrounding environments…. etc. :-
1) what is the - source - of all these ' atoms ' , (material) from which , the first cells were assembled ??
2) if we could move back on the ' time line ' , when was the beginning of this world around us ? where , the accident of ' cell assembly ' occurred ?? and what was - before - this beginning ??
3) if we could move forever in any direction , in the universe , what will be at the end ? is it more space ? then we still in our world !!. is it blocked by some material ? then what is behind …??
hoping to find logical answers , in order to get better understanding to our existence.....
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RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?
October 10, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Darwin hypothesis? You mean theory of evolution? Which is different than abiogenesis, which is what you are actually talking about with atoms and molecules?
As for what's before the beginning - who fucking knows.
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RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?
October 10, 2013 at 8:35 pm
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Organists? Really?
You did say Human Brain?
Still, on the offchance you're not trolling us, I'll try and unpick some of this stuff; if not for you then for anyone playing along at home.
(October 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm)HUMAN BRAIN Wrote: if the beginning was some 'molecules and atoms ' which combined together to constitute some biological cells ( by accident ) ,
Whoops - physical, chemical and biological matter obeying physical, chemical and biological laws are not "by accident".
(October 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm)HUMAN BRAIN Wrote: and these cells started to multiply and produce different organists , and evolution occurred due to the " natural selection " and\or, due to the variations of the surrounding environments…. etc. :-
Natural selection is only one part of the picture, but 60% success so far.
(October 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm)HUMAN BRAIN Wrote: 1) what is the - source - of all these ' atoms ' , (material) from which , the first cells were assembled ??
On Earth, most likely physics and chemistry. At the formation of the Universe, energy. In spades.
(October 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm)HUMAN BRAIN Wrote: 2) if we could move back on the ' time line ' , when was the beginning of this world around us ? where , the accident of ' cell assembly ' occurred ?? and what was - before - this beginning ??
- If by "this world" you mean the Earth, then some four and a half thousand million years ago (I hate and detest the transatlantic version of 'billion' with a passion like you wouldn't believe and never, ever use it unless I literally have no other option. I make damn sure I always have another option).
- If you mean the Universe, then around thirteen to fourteen thousand million years ago.
- There was no accident of cell assembly, but it occurred right here on Earth. Most likely it occurred elsewhere as well, in fact I think it incredibly likely to be a fairly common, even inevitable, consequence of planet formation. But that's just my personal opinion.
- Before the beginning makes no sense for the Universe, so the only true and correct answer is "nobody knows, but there are some interesting educated speculations". Before the beginning in terms of the Earth, i.e. before life formed, there was only the Earth and its atmospheric and chemical makeup.
(October 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm)HUMAN BRAIN Wrote: 3) if we could move forever in any direction , in the universe , what will be at the end ? is it more space ? then we still in our world !!. is it blocked by some material ? then what is behind …??
- You probably wouldn't find an end, just more Universe. You might possibly even end up right back where you started, though I do remember reading somewhere that if you could travel even at the speed of light and looped back on yourself, the Universe would have collapsed into a singularity long before you reached your starting point. Something like that, anyway.
(October 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm)HUMAN BRAIN Wrote: hoping to find logical answers , in order to get better understanding to our existence.....
Hope I've been of some help in your quest, but don't merely take my word for any of this. Also don't rely solely on logical answers; when it comes to such matters as the conditions of the Big Bang, quantum mechanics, string theory and so on, logic has to go and have a little lie down.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?
October 10, 2013 at 8:47 pm
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RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?
October 10, 2013 at 8:53 pm
I want to think his questions are sincere, but I myself can't be sincere in thinking this. I'd say there's a 75% chance of this person being an Internet troll.
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RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?
October 10, 2013 at 8:57 pm
(October 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm)HUMAN BRAIN Wrote: I think that , Darwin hypothesis
Fail #1. Evolution is a proven theory.
Quote:is a logic 'interpret' for the beginning and Evolution
What beginning? Oh, let me guess, fail #2. Abiogenesis and evolution are not the same thing.
Quote:of all organists
Organists? what of trombone players and singers? Pianists and guitarists?
Quote: if the beginning was some 'molecules and atoms ' which combined together to constitute some biological cells ( by accident )
Not by accident, read up on basic chemistry and you'll understand why.
Quote:1) what is the - source - of all these ' atoms ' , (material) from which , the first cells were assembled ??
Stars.
Quote:2) if we could move back on the ' time line '
Impossible, since time is a man-made concept and only appears linear to us.
Quote:when was the beginning of this world around us ?
Astonishing Engrish, try to work out how to communicate your thoughts(?) before taking on the mysteries (and not so mystical happenings) of the universe.
Quote:where , the accident of ' cell assembly ' occurred ??
The primordial soup, Tellus.
Quote:and what was - before - this beginning ??
Nobody knows.
Quote:3) if we could move forever in any direction , in the universe , what will be at the end ?
It's not even certain that the universe has an end.
Quote:hoping to find logical answers , in order to get better understanding to our existence.....
It's good to question, but if you really want answers, go to a physics forum or hit the textbooks. And stop using annoying fonts.
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RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?
October 10, 2013 at 9:08 pm
What was there before the beginning? Your pick:
A Apparently the conditions necessary for whatever it is you mean by 'the beginning'.
B Who the fuck knows?
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RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?
October 10, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Before the Beginning were the "commercials."
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RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?
October 10, 2013 at 9:16 pm
I take it the lion avatar represents Aslan, and not Mufasa.
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RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?
October 10, 2013 at 9:24 pm
(October 10, 2013 at 9:16 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote: I take it the lion avatar represents Aslan, and not Mufasa.
My thoughts exactly.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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