The Human Eye: A Double Standard?

[Pyrrho]

I see you have spent too much time around Christians.

However, that is irrelevant to the original argument.  It is the human eye, as it presently exists, that is supposedly only to be explained by reference to God.

And for the original argument, that the human eye must have had a designer:  in that case, the designer must have been an incompetent buffoon.  If you consider all of the people who need glasses, or who get corrective surgery, one finds that the failure rate for the human eye is near 100%.  That indicates a poor design, and so we have an incompetent designer who designed the eye.  Indeed, humans are capable of making artificial eyes that are, in many respects, superior to a human eye, and so it would seem that humans must be superior to God.

Let me apologize to you all for not making my question clear to begin with. What I am saying is that theists have this double standard where they say because the eye is so complex so it has to have had a designer. On the other hand, if you ask them where god came from they dismiss the question quite flippantly, saying god needed no designer. So what I'm asking does that mean the eye is more complex than god?

BTW their eyes were actually better after the fall. Before that they walked around butt naked and didn't even know it. Dayum. I'm legally blind and know when I'm naked. But that's another thread. Thank you and 30.

Sorry, I was remembering an argument that I have heard frequently, and had not reread the opening post before writing that.

You are right, that if complexity required a designer, then there would have to be a designer for the designer as well, because the designer would have to be complex to be able to be a designer.

That, in turn, would lead to an infinite regress of designers, as the designer of the designer would be complex and therefore require a designer, which in turn would be complex and require a designer, which in turn would require a designer, etc., etc., etc.


What this really shows is that they do not believe their own argument, that something complex must have a designer.