(April 30, 2015 at 1:24 pm)alpha male Wrote: If you want logic, here's some:
People are emotional and logical beings. More emotional than logical in my experience.
God is portrayed as both an emotional and logical being.
Logic tells me that when one emotional being communicates to another emotional being at length, the communication is likely to involve quite a bit of emotion.
What I find illogical is your position that you would expect such communication to be logical like computer code.
You really have no idea what I was getting at, do you?
Hilarious.
Anyway, here's the thing. The mere fact that you have to apologize for your god, the mere fact that no two Christians agree on the supposed basic tenets of the faith, the mere fact that there are ~40,000 sects... all of that points to a being whose supposed infallible word is incredibly unclear. I, for one, would think that the purported creator of all things could manage to be unambiguous. He created the universe, but can't do a little text editing. Remarkable.
And the only real defense for it that you or any theist has is to rely on the old 'mysterious ways' canard while quoting bible verses, as though the handbook of your faith - which is a poorly written collection of self-contradictory myths - has any authority beyond what it attempts to give itself. Which is why I posted the circular logic image, because that's mostly what you're doing.
I don't expect god to be exactly like computer code. I do expect it to be more logical and reasonable than I am. I'm pretty smart, but I don't consider myself to be the smartest guy on the planet. Hell, there's a bunch of people here that are much smarter than I am. Better read, better at punching holes in bad arguments. But if I, of somewhat above average intellect, can see holes wide enough for an 18-wheeler to drive through, then that's a problem. I shouldn't be able to outwit god.
And, yeah, bring on emotion! Faith is supposed to be uplifting and joyous, right? Well, if it really was, then the threat of hell would be completely unnecessary. I should want to join the flock because it's fucking awesome, not because my eyelids will slowly be sliced from my body as it burns in a fiery pit. If the only options are join or torture, doesn't that signify a problem? Because in my world it certainly does.
The god in your bible makes no sense. He curses man for a crime that would've been easily avoidable with a little foresight and baby proofing. He destroys a couple of cities because they're sinful, but lets a pair of daughters rape their father. Then, he floods the entire planet because it's evil, except for a select few, so, woohoo, more incest. It takes him sending his son/part of himself down to earth to get murdered before he chills out, but that sucks so bad, he mostly undoes it three days later.
I'm not asking for programming-level logic and consistency. Dr. Seuss level would be a good starting point.
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