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Creationism
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RE: Creationism
(September 13, 2010 at 11:14 am)Liu Bei mixed with Leondias Wrote: I'd like address this in a differant order if you don't mind.

Sure Smile

Quote:2. I am saying that concepts in the religion that don't make sense to me also factor in. i.e. the two good gods thing but there is still evil. Another thing I reject is if it is not possible, I reject the concept of a devil, for y would a honest, nice, peaceful god allow his people rot in hell for lack faith. That is one reason. This can go on for each religion you put in front of me exempt this one there for assuming any less is ignorant. Plus another reason is that the Religion spread(and is still alive) without bloodshed. We have no crimes against humanity.

Re: Two Good Gods and Evil.

The free will Theodicy can solve this problem to an extent quite persuasively, that being if God(s) wants to judge us on our moral actions, we cannot be determined puppet beings, so we must have free will in order to be "morally good" or "morally evil" - If God(s) require that we be Morally Good then there must be the opportunity of evil.

This doesn't solve the natural disaster or suffering innocence problems though.

Re: The devil:

Maybe God isn't omni-benevolent, that really is the only way this can work satisfactorily i agree.

Naturalism doesn't suffer any of these problems Wink

Quote:4. The method I use is accurate because if religion is possible is a individual question for each religion.

You mean that we need to judge the veracity of each religious separately? I disagree, any theistic religions (that posit God) can be rejected due to a lack of reason for their existence, be it evidential or through logical necessity.

Quote:Then do you believe in its moral standards is another.

A religion could have permissible moral standards and still be false because the God does not exist - this simply means that the individuals who constructed the religion had good morals.

Quote: Then do you think it actually happened, thats another.

Agreed.

Quote: Then it is matter of which you believe. There is no way to prove religion.

There is no reason to believe religious claims, especially those pertaining to the existence of God.

Why do you believe you are reasonable in believing in your theology? I have asked you this specific question multiple times and all you seem to be able to go is point out flaws in other god concepts.

Quote:So we have to make ethical choices.

If one believes in a theology then they are more likely to consider the moral edicts of the religion to be "good" as they form the belief that it was god who dictated these morals, therefore they are less likely to be critical of such moral attitudes, and this leads to some of the most serious ethical issues ever established, such as being anit-abortion and the subsequent justification for bombing abortion clinics, denying Gays their rights, tribalism leading to separation and/or war etc.

If one believes in a theology and can provide no valid reason for doing so yet still follows the moral edicts to their natural conclusion, then they are often likely to do things that would be considered morally reprehensible in any meta-ethical theory, simply because they believe these edicts are commanded by a god.
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Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 11, 2010 at 7:22 pm
RE: Creationism - by Minimalist - September 11, 2010 at 7:35 pm
RE: Creationism - by DeistPaladin - September 11, 2010 at 9:00 pm
RE: Creationism - by padraic - September 17, 2011 at 7:54 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 11, 2010 at 8:16 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 11, 2010 at 9:02 pm
RE: Creationism - by Minimalist - September 11, 2010 at 10:28 pm
RE: Creationism - by MilesTailsPrower - September 18, 2011 at 1:23 am
RE: Creationism - by theVOID - September 12, 2010 at 6:10 pm
RE: Creationism - by Tiberius - September 11, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 11, 2010 at 9:21 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 11, 2010 at 10:47 pm
RE: Creationism - by Zen Badger - September 12, 2010 at 2:44 am
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 12, 2010 at 5:09 am
RE: Creationism - by Zen Badger - September 12, 2010 at 5:29 am
RE: Creationism - by KichigaiNeko - September 12, 2010 at 8:49 am
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 12, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 12, 2010 at 6:44 pm
RE: Creationism - by Entropist - September 12, 2010 at 6:56 pm
RE: Creationism - by theVOID - September 12, 2010 at 7:22 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 12, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: Creationism - by theVOID - September 12, 2010 at 9:47 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 12, 2010 at 9:52 pm
RE: Creationism - by theVOID - September 12, 2010 at 9:54 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 12, 2010 at 9:59 pm
RE: Creationism - by theVOID - September 12, 2010 at 10:26 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 12, 2010 at 10:45 pm
RE: Creationism - by theVOID - September 12, 2010 at 11:00 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 12, 2010 at 11:29 pm
RE: Creationism - by theVOID - September 12, 2010 at 11:46 pm
RE: Creationism - by Paul the Human - September 13, 2010 at 10:58 am
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 13, 2010 at 11:14 am
RE: Creationism - by theVOID - September 13, 2010 at 5:27 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 13, 2010 at 7:05 pm
RE: Creationism - by theVOID - September 19, 2010 at 9:09 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 19, 2010 at 8:46 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 21, 2010 at 11:11 am
RE: Creationism - by theVOID - September 21, 2010 at 5:16 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 22, 2010 at 11:01 pm
RE: Creationism - by theVOID - September 23, 2010 at 7:11 pm
RE: Creationism - by jason56 - September 23, 2010 at 8:25 pm
RE: Creationism - by theVOID - September 24, 2010 at 1:02 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 17, 2011 at 6:30 pm
RE: Creationism - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2011 at 6:16 am
RE: Creationism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2011 at 7:34 pm
RE: Creationism - by Epimethean - September 17, 2011 at 7:42 pm
RE: Creationism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2011 at 7:58 pm
RE: Creationism - by Epimethean - September 17, 2011 at 8:15 pm
RE: Creationism - by KichigaiNeko - September 18, 2011 at 5:48 am
RE: Creationism - by padraic - September 17, 2011 at 8:17 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 17, 2011 at 10:23 pm
RE: Creationism - by downbeatplumb - September 18, 2011 at 10:16 am
RE: Creationism - by Epimethean - September 18, 2011 at 10:20 am
RE: Creationism - by downbeatplumb - September 18, 2011 at 10:25 am
RE: Creationism - by padraic - September 18, 2011 at 7:40 pm
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 18, 2011 at 11:55 pm
RE: Creationism - by IATIA - September 19, 2011 at 12:09 am
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 19, 2011 at 12:23 am
RE: Creationism - by IATIA - September 19, 2011 at 12:43 am
RE: Creationism - by Liu Bei mixed with Leondias - September 20, 2011 at 12:46 am
RE: Creationism - by downbeatplumb - September 20, 2011 at 1:49 pm
RE: Creationism - by frankiej - September 19, 2011 at 3:28 pm
RE: Creationism - by downbeatplumb - September 19, 2011 at 3:30 pm
RE: Creationism - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2011 at 10:42 pm
RE: Creationism - by downbeatplumb - September 19, 2011 at 3:18 pm
RE: Creationism - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2011 at 4:20 pm
RE: Creationism - by ElDinero - September 19, 2011 at 5:49 pm
RE: Creationism - by Epimethean - September 19, 2011 at 10:15 pm
RE: Creationism - by Rokcet Scientist - September 19, 2011 at 10:53 pm
RE: Creationism - by Epimethean - September 19, 2011 at 11:19 pm
RE: Creationism - by Rokcet Scientist - September 20, 2011 at 2:09 am
RE: Creationism - by Epimethean - September 20, 2011 at 12:55 am
RE: Creationism - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2011 at 3:35 am
RE: Creationism - by Epimethean - September 20, 2011 at 8:20 am
RE: Creationism - by frankiej - September 20, 2011 at 8:22 am
RE: Creationism - by Epimethean - September 20, 2011 at 8:25 am
RE: Creationism - by frankiej - September 20, 2011 at 8:26 am
RE: Creationism - by Epimethean - September 20, 2011 at 8:35 am

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