The Ultimate Why There Is Evil in the World Thread.

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The problem of evil isn't meant to disprove god, it disproves an omniscient, omnipotent omni-benevolent god.

Also, if god is omniscient, we don't have any free will. In fact, neither does he. He knows what he will do before he does it, and he can't choose otherwise.

If god is omni everything, then he knew how everything would play out from the instant he made the Earth. If he wanted any single thing to be any different, he could have made it so. Therefor, we have no free will, and he is completely responsible for everything that happens. We can't choose to do something he didn't pre-determine we would do. He has made all our choices for us already. It is not a real choice if we have only one option. He also knows who is going to "disobey" him, and are going to hell. But they didn't really disobey, he made it so they would do something he didn't like, so he could punish them.

There's too many claims about god here, they can't all be true. And of course there's the problem of how you know anything about god, yet all of science cannot even be told what they are looking for, let alone find it.

Omniscience, or free will. You have to pick one in my opinion, because they are not compatible. I've never heard a convincing argument as to why they are compatible. Also god is a vicious cunt. If you replaced the god character with a human, and that human did all the things god did in the bible, you would condemn him as the most evil person in history. Giving him a free pass because he is really powerful is just might makes right.

To me, this kind of excuse making apologetics sounds exactly like a victim of domestic abuse explaining why they deserve their beatings, and why their spouse really does love them even given copious evidence to the contrary.