(September 17, 2010 at 3:25 am)solja247 Wrote: Show me where logic is faulty...What scientists? I've read every astronomy and physics related book I could get my hands on for well over ten years and I've never heard any any reputable scientists say anything of that nature. Just the quacks over at the discovery institute and theists attempting to 'prove' that god created the universe.
Most scientists cant argue with the fact that the universe appears to be designed, they just say it wasnt designed, its all just an accident and we are just really lucky.
I'm not going into detail over every arguement presented - I've neither the time nor the desire to write a novel, but I'll give you the short version:
Their logic is faulty because virtually every arugement altogether requires virtually every single logical fallacy I can find in order to pose any kind of arguement. Seriously. I attempted to make a specific list for this post, but the cosmological arguement and morality arguements alone nearly forced me to copy-paste the lists I've found.
For example, the cosmological arguement (which I am much more familiar with thank you to a few trolls that have come on gone on these boards) is quite dependant on making arguements based completely on things we don't know - like anything prior to a few moments prior to the earliest point we can know about - which is just a few fleeting moments after the big bang began to big bang.
Still, that's only scratching the surface of everything that's wrong with simply that one arguement.
(September 17, 2010 at 3:25 am)solja247 Wrote: This book convinced me that the resurrection DID happen.Why? How did this book convince you that the resurrection actually happened?
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
