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Atheist billboards in Atlanta
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RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta
Quote:There is NO evidence to support the notion of a man rising up from the dead. There is NO evidence that Jesus even existed. If you have evidence, please present it.

The idea that Jesus didnt exist is held by a small minority of scholars and is ridiculous.

Quote:There are many things in nature that "appear to be designed". There are rock formations that look like faces. There are natural bridges (check out Arches National Park). There are natural features of striking beauty. And we know that none of this was "designed". Appearance of design does not necessarily indicate that it was designed.

I think galaxies and planets are different than rocks which appear to be designed...

Quote:Yes, all you have to do is take your intellect, reasoning ability and logic, and throw it all out the window....

The good old fallacy, if you are a Christian or believe in God you commit intellectual suicide. I will give you 10 points for trying.

Quote:like anything prior to a few moments prior to the earliest point we can know about - which is just a few fleeting moments after the big bang began to big bang.
Still, that's only scratching the surface of everything that's wrong with simply that one arguement.

This is what Marcelo Gleiser has to say about that idea:

Quote:Can science “explain” the age-old question of Creation? Certainly, physical models describing the origin of the cosmos can and have been proposed, at least since the 1970s. But these models face a serious technical obstacle: the lack of a proper theory to describe physical processes at the enormous energy scales prevalent during the first moments of cosmic history. They could be called scientific creation narratives, at least until they can be placed on more solid theoretical ground. We see old themes coming back, dressed in scientific jargon. In some models the universe was born out of “nothing,” a quantum vacuum populated by all sorts of ephemeral energy fluctuations; others see the beginning as essentially chaotic, with an ordered cosmos emerging homogeneously in three dimensions.

The problem is we dont know anything about our universe to even speculate its origins...I say God created (I go out on a limb here) but it would be better say we dont have any idea!

Quote:Why? How did this book convince you that the resurrection actually happened?

a) Not many serious scholars deny Jesus existed
b) It is disputed if the gospels should be taken as historical accounts of the hitsorical Jesus (I think they should be, mostly)
c) The resurrection explains how this new Jewish sect became so persuasive
d) Many other 'messiahs' rose up, yet they didnt have this effect on people, let alone the enitre world
f) To say the discples stole the body or Jesus's body was placed in a forgotten tomb is ridiculous, we should use the earliest sources to get the picture of what actually happened, not ridiculos stories with no evidence
g) These new Christians faced persecution pretty much anywhere in the world they went. Not even 10 years later did the Christians church suffer mass persecution. Yet, the Christians were sure that Jesus was alive and continued to believe in Him, it cost them their lives, and they died horrible deaths.
h) Acts 5:33-41: 33When they heard this, they were furious and wanted to put them to death. 34But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. 35Then he addressed them: "Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 36Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 37After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. 38Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."

40His speech persuaded them. They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.

41The apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name. 42Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.
The problem is, that the Jewish sect contuned to thrive, infact by the 7th century it had reached Japan (although that is disputed)
i) That Jesus was not a mere man, that He was God, there are many verses and stories reffering to the Messiah. In the temple they could only sacrifice a perfect lamb and its blood justified the person from any sin, Jesus is that lamb, what the Law could not do, He has done...

As N.T Wright says, "That is why, as an historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus rose again, leaving an empty
tomb behind him.” - N.T Wright

I will take that small 'leap' of faith and say Jesus is Lord.
However, if I am wrong, if Jesus did not rise from the dead, then as it says it 1 Corinthians 15:1 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. (vs 14). The Christian faith would be a waste of time and ridiculous.
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.

You dont hate God, you hate the church game.

"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine

Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by everythingafter - September 12, 2010 at 10:19 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Minimalist - September 12, 2010 at 10:41 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by everythingafter - September 13, 2010 at 1:53 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by lrh9 - September 13, 2010 at 4:10 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Watson - September 12, 2010 at 10:46 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by chatpilot - September 13, 2010 at 7:58 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Thor - September 13, 2010 at 9:40 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 13, 2010 at 8:15 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 14, 2010 at 6:21 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by AnunZi - September 14, 2010 at 6:30 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by lrh9 - September 14, 2010 at 7:42 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by KichigaiNeko - September 14, 2010 at 7:45 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by lrh9 - September 14, 2010 at 7:50 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Zen Badger - September 14, 2010 at 9:15 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by lrh9 - September 14, 2010 at 9:18 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Tiberius - September 14, 2010 at 7:44 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by chatpilot - September 14, 2010 at 6:23 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 14, 2010 at 7:09 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by AnunZi - September 14, 2010 at 9:19 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Zen Badger - September 14, 2010 at 9:25 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by KichigaiNeko - September 14, 2010 at 9:26 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by KichigaiNeko - September 14, 2010 at 9:24 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 14, 2010 at 8:27 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 14, 2010 at 8:33 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Thor - September 15, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by downbeatplumb - September 15, 2010 at 1:03 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by everythingafter - September 16, 2010 at 1:52 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 14, 2010 at 8:37 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 14, 2010 at 10:08 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Minimalist - September 14, 2010 at 10:35 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 14, 2010 at 11:09 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by lrh9 - September 14, 2010 at 11:48 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Minimalist - September 15, 2010 at 1:29 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by everythingafter - September 16, 2010 at 12:03 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 14, 2010 at 11:57 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 15, 2010 at 8:55 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 15, 2010 at 7:44 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 15, 2010 at 7:53 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Thor - September 16, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 15, 2010 at 7:56 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 15, 2010 at 8:18 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 15, 2010 at 8:26 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 15, 2010 at 8:35 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 15, 2010 at 8:39 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 15, 2010 at 8:41 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 15, 2010 at 8:49 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 15, 2010 at 8:54 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by everythingafter - September 16, 2010 at 2:09 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 15, 2010 at 9:35 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Watson - September 15, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 16, 2010 at 12:44 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Minimalist - September 16, 2010 at 1:41 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by lrh9 - September 16, 2010 at 1:58 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 16, 2010 at 5:30 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by AnunZi - September 16, 2010 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 16, 2010 at 9:05 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Skipper - September 16, 2010 at 2:27 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Ashendant - September 16, 2010 at 8:23 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Watson - September 16, 2010 at 8:33 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Ashendant - September 16, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 16, 2010 at 8:52 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 17, 2010 at 2:31 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 17, 2010 at 3:04 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 3:25 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Thor - September 17, 2010 at 10:11 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by lrh9 - September 17, 2010 at 2:44 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 17, 2010 at 3:25 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 17, 2010 at 3:02 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by lrh9 - September 17, 2010 at 8:21 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 17, 2010 at 8:35 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by lrh9 - September 17, 2010 at 8:38 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 8:39 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 17, 2010 at 8:42 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 8:48 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by krazedkat - September 18, 2010 at 2:00 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by lrh9 - September 17, 2010 at 8:48 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 17, 2010 at 8:51 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 17, 2010 at 6:46 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 17, 2010 at 11:44 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by everythingafter - September 19, 2010 at 12:10 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 7:44 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Ashendant - September 17, 2010 at 8:50 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by Minimalist - September 17, 2010 at 11:46 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 18, 2010 at 1:04 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 18, 2010 at 2:21 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 18, 2010 at 8:51 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 18, 2010 at 4:56 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 18, 2010 at 7:39 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 20, 2010 at 1:36 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 21, 2010 at 2:57 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 21, 2010 at 9:25 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by padraic - September 21, 2010 at 5:02 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by radames - September 22, 2010 at 1:15 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 22, 2010 at 1:58 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by downbeatplumb - September 22, 2010 at 7:35 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by radames - September 22, 2010 at 4:17 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 23, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 23, 2010 at 11:23 pm
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by radames - September 24, 2010 at 3:43 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by solja247 - September 24, 2010 at 2:14 am
RE: Atheist billboards in Atlanta - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 24, 2010 at 5:12 pm

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