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"Of Miracles" by David Hume
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RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume
(May 18, 2015 at 2:21 am)robvalue Wrote: Additional: if I understand correctly, Hume isn't claiming that there are no miracles, he's stating that the claim that something is a miracle should always be rejected. Is that a fair assessment?


There is some debate over the exact nature of Hume's position.  Probably because some of his remarks seem more pointed than others.  But that is fair enough for present purposes.


(May 18, 2015 at 2:21 am)robvalue Wrote: Because all WLC is trying to do is establish that miracles are possible. Even if they are, it does not refute Hume's position.


Yes.  Even granting that something might have some degree of possibility, that does not mean that anyone should believe it is true.  If I were to tell you that I am presently naked in a hot tub with Madonna and Oprah, it is something that is in some sense possible, but no one should believe the story, without proper evidence to confirm it.


(May 18, 2015 at 2:21 am)robvalue Wrote: The amount of bullshit he wraps around logical fallacies and tautoligies is quite astonishing though. If theists have the truth, why all the unfounded assumptions, lies, logical fallacies, unfalsifiable claims and emotional manipulation? And nothing else of substance. Ever.

Yes I said it, ever. Give me any piece of apologetics which is actually supposed to make a positive case that God exists beyond reasonable doubt, that a certain religion is "true", or in fact that any supernatural event has ever happened, and it will rely at some point on one of those things. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong on that. I'm not saying claims put forward are false, I'm saying they can't be demonstrated to be true beyond reasonable doubt.

There, I've put my tackle on the chopping block. If anyone can prove me wrong on that, I'll be in for a serious shell shock.


I think pretty much every strong atheist agrees with you on that, as well as many weak atheists.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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"Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 17, 2015 at 2:57 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by robvalue - May 17, 2015 at 3:26 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Angrboda - May 17, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by nihilistcat - May 17, 2015 at 4:44 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 17, 2015 at 5:53 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by JuliaL - May 17, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by nihilistcat - May 17, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 17, 2015 at 9:05 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by nihilistcat - May 17, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by AFTT47 - May 17, 2015 at 9:07 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by abaris - May 18, 2015 at 1:49 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by bennyboy - May 18, 2015 at 6:50 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by nihilistcat - May 19, 2015 at 9:36 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by downbeatplumb - May 20, 2015 at 1:31 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Dystopia - May 17, 2015 at 7:47 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by nihilistcat - May 17, 2015 at 8:51 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 17, 2015 at 10:01 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 12:36 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by JuliaL - May 18, 2015 at 1:04 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 1:07 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 2:21 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 18, 2015 at 9:00 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Silver - May 18, 2015 at 2:24 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Angrboda - May 18, 2015 at 9:28 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 18, 2015 at 11:20 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 18, 2015 at 1:43 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 18, 2015 at 2:42 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 18, 2015 at 3:07 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Crossless1 - May 20, 2015 at 1:08 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 20, 2015 at 1:27 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by The Inquisition - May 20, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Minimalist - May 20, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Crossless1 - May 20, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 20, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Minimalist - May 20, 2015 at 2:04 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by cocunningham - May 20, 2015 at 2:18 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 20, 2015 at 3:00 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Minimalist - May 20, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 20, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by The Inquisition - May 20, 2015 at 6:33 pm

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