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"Of Miracles" by David Hume
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RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume
(May 20, 2015 at 1:27 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:
(May 20, 2015 at 1:08 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Pyrrho: Most likely, WLC would deny the occurrence of miracles that are not consistent with his particular brand of religion.  For some examples of the sorts of things I mean, you can take a look at some of the stories in Hume's essay, or take a look at:

http://infidels.org/library/modern/richa...kooks.html

I doubt that WLC will accept the miracle stories of Vespasian curing a blind man with his spittle, or curing a lame man by the touch of his foot, divinely made possible by the god Serapis.


The problem is that the Christian religion is so goofy about the supernatural that WLC and other believers have a smorgasbord of possible responses.  He could selectively play the skeptic and deny the alleged miracle took place at all.  He could affirm belief that it happened but was really the result of Satan's trickery.  He could even take the tack that the miracle happened and was really the working of Yahweh/Christ but was misunderstood by the witnesses.


Yes.  How he would react to alternative miracle stories would affect the nature of the discussion.  If he rejects other miracles, then I would point out that he does not follow the same standards of evidence for all miracle stories.  And if accepts them, then, if he takes the 'Satan' caused them approach, I would ask him how he knew that the Bible isn't really the work of Satan, misleading him from God's truth.  And so forth.  The exact way the argument goes depends on all of the details of the position that someone is taking.

But no matter how one turns the issue over, WLC is an idiot who is not applying the same standards to all cases.  He simply presupposes the Bible, and goes from there.  That is begging the question.  To avoid begging the question, he would have to first establish that the Bible is true, and we would then be looking that he applies the same standards of evidence to other ancient books, like The Iliad and The Odyssey.  We can be quite sure he does not do that, and that there are non-rational forces at work for his particular selection.

Isn't the argument that miracles occur, very similar to Kalam?

Even if we accept that a miracle occurs, that doesn't mean A god did it and certainly doesn't mean one's own god did it. This is where Kalam fails as well.
Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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"Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 17, 2015 at 2:57 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by robvalue - May 17, 2015 at 3:26 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Angrboda - May 17, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by nihilistcat - May 17, 2015 at 4:44 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 17, 2015 at 5:53 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by JuliaL - May 17, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by nihilistcat - May 17, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 17, 2015 at 9:05 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by nihilistcat - May 17, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by AFTT47 - May 17, 2015 at 9:07 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by abaris - May 18, 2015 at 1:49 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by bennyboy - May 18, 2015 at 6:50 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by nihilistcat - May 19, 2015 at 9:36 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by downbeatplumb - May 20, 2015 at 1:31 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Dystopia - May 17, 2015 at 7:47 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by nihilistcat - May 17, 2015 at 8:51 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 17, 2015 at 10:01 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 12:36 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by JuliaL - May 18, 2015 at 1:04 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 1:07 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 2:21 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 18, 2015 at 9:00 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Silver - May 18, 2015 at 2:24 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Angrboda - May 18, 2015 at 9:28 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 18, 2015 at 11:20 am
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 18, 2015 at 1:43 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 18, 2015 at 2:42 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 18, 2015 at 3:07 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Crossless1 - May 20, 2015 at 1:08 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 20, 2015 at 1:27 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by The Inquisition - May 20, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Minimalist - May 20, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Crossless1 - May 20, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 20, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Minimalist - May 20, 2015 at 2:04 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by cocunningham - May 20, 2015 at 2:18 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 20, 2015 at 3:00 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Minimalist - May 20, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by Pyrrho - May 20, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: "Of Miracles" by David Hume - by The Inquisition - May 20, 2015 at 6:33 pm

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