(May 24, 2015 at 9:15 pm)Aroura Wrote: You completely avoided my point about how Jesus did not even approve of the suffering of those who "deserved" it; and generally, the more aware we become of why people behave the way they do and why the world works the way it does the LESS tolerant of others suffering we become.
Why would it make any sense at all that divine 'enlightenment" would cause us to think people DESERVE suffering? Everything we know about reality point to that actually working the other way.
I know, you can't wrap your head around It because of Hell. This is a great example of how religion harms. You are clearly a nice, understanding and generally non-judgmental person, and you are looking forward to how god will turn you into a judgmental asshole just like him.
I'm not even sure how to further respond to your line of reasoning, it's so disgusting to me, repulsive. That you embrace it just baffles me.
Jesus did not approve of the suffering of those who deserved it? I have to assume you are talking about the parts where the sinner in question repents or is forgiven. I am sure if you look you will find sufficient references where Jesus stipulates those who choose to engage in wrongful conduct and do not repent shall receive what they deserve (which naturally is going to be awesomeness!!)
I am having a hard time understand the animosity. I endeavored to answer this question in reasonable terms and even made the equation of hell to prison to try to avoid unwarranted hatred against religious comments. The question asked was if God sent your child to hell (which I equated to the state putting your child in prison or executing them). In either question the child chose to engage in action of sufficient wrongness or illegality as to warrant their condemnation or execution.
Am i supposed to say I refuse to believe in a god who allows one person in hell, no matter how horrible their chosen conduct? That I will not live in a state that puts a single person in prison, no matter how many laws they break or people they hurt? That I should suffer guilt for the punishment of one who chose to engage in vicious and illicit conduct of a nature so bad as to be imprisoned or executed?
I do not think any reasonable person, theist or atheist, would agree with that. And if they do they have my utmost sympathies to be constantly wracked with guilt and bad feelings about the bad things that other people do (that is beyond your control) must be a never ending torment. To quote Brian Griffin:
"Stewie, it's not your fault....Stewie; it's not your fault....NO! Stewie... It's not your fault."
