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If God sent your child to Hell.
RE: If God sent your child to Hell.
So, by your logic a rock does not exist because it does not have free-will. That's what I'm getting from this. Only free-will causes existence. That's the dumbest argument for free-will I've ever heard. But a rock isn't alive, so I guess you'll go there.

What about a jellyfish? We can agree that it is alive, I hope? Yet it has no brain, does it posess free-will? What is the cause of free-will, then? Do only humans have it, not say, dogs and cats, corals or whales? How about Virus's? If god gave free will only to humans, then how do these other creatures function? Can a bear chose to eat a and or some honey? If any of these creature do not possess free-will, then free-will and consciousness are not related, nor are free-will and life, nor are free-will and existence. If all of them do possess free-will, then what sets humans apart from a virus, since you equate free-will with consciousness?

As to the whole moral argument, you are just going back to the old "morals must be absolute or they mean nothing" chestnut, and then basing a bunch of claims off of that faulty argument. Morals are subjective, and we can invent them based on what we feel causes most harm.
First, prove morals are absolute. Then we can talk more about the rest of your assumptions from that claim.

If we are indeed just meat robots, its still does not follow that we could not have consciousness, or that we then wouldn't exist. Serious case of Reductio ad absurdum there.
“Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?” 
― Tom StoppardRosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead
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If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - April 14, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Silver - April 14, 2015 at 11:50 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by vorlon13 - April 14, 2015 at 11:51 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - April 14, 2015 at 11:56 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by vorlon13 - April 14, 2015 at 11:57 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by MysticKnight - April 15, 2015 at 12:58 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by MysticKnight - April 15, 2015 at 11:12 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - April 15, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by henryp - April 15, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Faith No More - April 15, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - April 15, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by henryp - April 16, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Faith No More - April 16, 2015 at 7:48 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Faith No More - April 18, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by henryp - April 19, 2015 at 9:11 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by robvalue - April 15, 2015 at 2:35 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by RobertE - April 15, 2015 at 12:44 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Minimalist - April 15, 2015 at 2:38 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by abaris - April 15, 2015 at 3:37 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - April 15, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Homeless Nutter - April 15, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - April 15, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Homeless Nutter - April 15, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Faith No More - April 15, 2015 at 11:23 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Nope - April 15, 2015 at 3:41 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Darkstar - April 15, 2015 at 10:50 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Losty - May 22, 2015 at 6:24 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by robvalue - April 15, 2015 at 5:11 am
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Brian37 - April 15, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - April 15, 2015 at 12:01 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Polaris - April 16, 2015 at 9:14 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by dyresand - April 16, 2015 at 9:15 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Esquilax - April 16, 2015 at 11:04 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by The Grand Nudger - April 16, 2015 at 9:15 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by The Grand Nudger - April 16, 2015 at 9:39 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by dyresand - April 16, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Polaris - April 16, 2015 at 9:46 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by The Grand Nudger - April 16, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Faith No More - April 16, 2015 at 10:42 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Polaris - April 17, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by dyresand - April 17, 2015 at 8:58 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by dyresand - April 17, 2015 at 9:10 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Polaris - April 18, 2015 at 8:26 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by robvalue - April 18, 2015 at 11:52 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Faith No More - April 19, 2015 at 9:31 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Polaris - April 19, 2015 at 2:08 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Faith No More - April 19, 2015 at 6:40 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by henryp - April 20, 2015 at 3:33 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Polaris - April 20, 2015 at 11:37 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Polaris - April 28, 2015 at 7:03 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - April 28, 2015 at 7:09 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Prince - May 10, 2015 at 11:58 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by robvalue - May 10, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Prince - May 10, 2015 at 1:39 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by robvalue - May 10, 2015 at 5:10 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - May 22, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Drich - May 22, 2015 at 4:06 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - May 22, 2015 at 5:24 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Aroura - May 22, 2015 at 6:38 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Minimalist - May 22, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Anima - May 22, 2015 at 10:02 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Silver - May 23, 2015 at 1:29 am
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Drich - May 26, 2015 at 4:57 pm
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Anima - May 25, 2015 at 8:22 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Aroura - May 25, 2015 at 9:20 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Faith No More - May 23, 2015 at 12:15 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Anima - May 24, 2015 at 11:58 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Anima - May 24, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by JuliaL - May 24, 2015 at 10:21 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by dyresand - May 23, 2015 at 1:18 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by rexbeccarox - May 24, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Losty - May 24, 2015 at 5:22 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Anima - May 24, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by robvalue - May 25, 2015 at 3:46 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - May 25, 2015 at 8:58 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by robvalue - May 26, 2015 at 4:03 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Anima - May 26, 2015 at 11:42 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Aroura - May 26, 2015 at 12:59 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Anima - May 26, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by robvalue - May 26, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by robvalue - May 26, 2015 at 3:45 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Anima - May 26, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Aroura - May 26, 2015 at 3:47 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Anima - May 26, 2015 at 6:18 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - May 26, 2015 at 5:15 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by robvalue - May 26, 2015 at 5:22 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Iroscato - May 26, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by robvalue - May 27, 2015 at 1:32 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Prince - May 27, 2015 at 4:00 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by robvalue - May 27, 2015 at 4:45 am
RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Prince - May 27, 2015 at 5:11 am
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell. - by Prince - May 27, 2015 at 5:23 am
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