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[solja247]

You initially presented me with the arguement that if someone is too skeptical then they won't accept anything. All I did was state the opposite and cited examples of the kinds of people who are all too gullible. That's not a slippery slope.

Well, it appeared like you had commited the slippery slope fallacy, howver, perhaps I didnt understand you.
Im not against skeptism. Im against over skeptism, I dont think it is healthy to doubt everything and can one really know anything if they are overly skeptic?

What is this you're presenting me with? What are you trying to prove?
You've stated that one guy used to murder scientists and that some religious people suffocated science.
And... what? You need complete thoughts here because you don't appear to have presented me with anything.

Perhaps I should say, 'Science flourishes in a secular country, even if the majority of scientists are religous?'

Okay, then enlighten me as to one way that any one religious faith has changed in its viewpoints of the natural world in any significant way. Has any religion rewritten their bible based on new findings or discoveries? Has new theories about god and the events leading from what they believe as the creation changed over the course of the past century? The past decade?

Very much so! Due to the evolution/creation controversy a lot of effort has been in seeing Genesis one as a Jew back in the good old days, truly incredible! They didnt care about structure, they cared about purpose...

However, the professionally religious - the priests, rabbis, and those of that nature - are precisely the ones you've stated have committed 'intellectual suicide' - assuming they still actually believe what they're preaching.

How so? Im attending to spend my entire life as a Pastor, I couldnt think of anything better (Either going into youth ministry or apologetics/philosophy)

In any case, I think you may have even proven a point of mine. You and I can certainly agree that christianity is intellectual suicide.

I disagree. Without Christian, I would be a normal young Australian, getting drunk on the weekends doing stuff with women...Christianity has kept my mind sharp, I have read the Bible for myself and looked deep into certain theology. If I wasnt a Christian I would of commited intellectual suicide...

This, he argued (I am paraphrasing,) was because God has always been the "God of the Gaps" because he can exist no where except in our own ignorance. Even our greatest minds stopped investigating when things got too difficult to figure out and all they had to do was invoke god and all the inquisitiveness and investigation ceases "becaue god was there."

Is it 'God of the Gaps' fallacy or is there infact a creator? To my knowledge, more scienists are seeing the evidence that there was most likely some sought of being who created the universe.
I think Marcelo Gleiser makes a good point:

Some of these models of creation make predictions about measurable properties of the universe, which can be used to test and refine them. Yet it may be hard to rule out all alternative models, which may also be compatible with these measurements. The best that we can hope for is a workable model of cosmic origins, compatible with observations but open to changes. Scientific inquiry is after all an ongoing process—there is no final truth, only approximations to the truth. Furthermore, science, at least as it is formulated at present, cannot answer questions concerning its own origin: we do not know why the universe operates according to the laws we have uncovered and not others. This essential incompleteness of science suggests a new form of complementarity between science and religion; religion does not exist to cover the holes of our scientific knowledge, but as a driving force behind scientific inspiration. Through our search for knowledge we uncover our true nature, fuelled by the same sense of mystery which filled our ancestors with awe.

Persionally, I'd rather live my life the way I want to than enter the crap-shoot of picking a religion, devoting my life to that religion adn those religious beliefs and find out I'm going to hell (or whatever equivelent punishment there is) for picking and choosing the wrong one. Every one of them has miracles, saviors, a creation story, and each one of them claims to be the 'one true path' in some fashion or another. They can't all be right and I find it far more likely that they're all wrong.

I agree wtih you, however, the resurrection has considerable weight for me. I was more so convinced by the evidence than some sought of 'experience'




In my honest opinion, the only thing one should get from the Bible is the plan for redemption, from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22...
The Bible doesnt tell us what happens when you die
Or give us morality (As Dawkins points out)
Doesnt explain the problem of evil

It shows a plan for redemption, a plan I want to apart of, that is why I will put my desires on hold and live my life the best I can...