(May 31, 2015 at 9:47 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:But you have wagered your eternity on the truth of the model you've accepted Mr. Pascal.(May 31, 2015 at 5:23 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Written as one who has bitten on the whole revelatory package.
Could be. But I wouldn't want to wager my eternity on any of your options. However, I do have another thread that is more relevant to this currently underway.
Personally, I can't see any eternity I'd want to hang around for. You suggest there is something really really good in store for (yourself) believers, but you can't say what it is. That's a pretty suspect bet. We call it a pig in a poke around here.
(May 31, 2015 at 9:47 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:Says who? You're buying the whole farm again.(May 31, 2015 at 5:23 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Exactly, BEYOND only specifies incomprehensibility not utility. I don't think you understand the concept of ineffibility or infinity. Tell me again why God can't lie?Because lying is an imperfection, and God is a perfect being.
Is lying an imperfection or perfection if God does it?
Do you contend there is a framework of perfection to which God must conform? You've got a call from Euthyphro on line 3.
If the Nazis are at the door asking if Anne Frank is in the attic? God couldn't say, "no?" He's that constrained?
(May 31, 2015 at 9:47 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:(May 31, 2015 at 5:23 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Nope, not gonna bite.
And it works on people who obviously don't even want to hear the explanations for things they have convinced themselves cannot be explained.
You're a bigger dupe than me, because at least I'm willing to listen to YOUR explanations. You want nothing to do with mine.
The reasons I'm not very interested in your explanations are that;
- They depend on their exceptionally shaky premises for soundness. I don't want to argue about first century "eyewitness" reports of miracles when we can't definitively figure out who shot Kennedy.
- The repetition of unfalsifiable assertions becomes tiresome after a time.
- Others have fully refuted your arguments elsewhere unless they belong in 2. above.
- I've seen your text walls. Everything I've waded through depends on the 2000 year old eyewitnesses. (See 1. above)
Of course you think I'm a dupe. I disagree with some of your cherished fantasy life.
(May 31, 2015 at 9:47 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:So did I.(May 31, 2015 at 5:23 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Truth is a property of propositions. A proposition is true in direct proportion to the degree that proposition accurately predicts future events.
Jesus said, "I am the Truth" then predicted his own death and resurrection with what turned out to be 100% accuracy.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?