(June 5, 2015 at 1:35 pm)Anima Wrote:(June 5, 2015 at 11:07 am)paulpablo Wrote: But the point I was making is that it isn't just gay people who can't procreate with one another, and it isn't just incestuous relationships that cause birth defects.
The subject of infertile and elderly couples has been explained in previous posts and is covered under overinclusiveness of the procreation centric definition.
The state prohibition on incest relationships is under rational basis scrutiny and not strict scrutiny. It may be prohibited under rational basis for the reasons I presented.
Now if the petitioners win their claim and a fundamental right is established than strict scrutiny would be required to restrict incestuous relationships. An argument to birth defects would not satisfy strict scrutiny so under that argument incestuous relationships could not be prohibited.
So going back to what the procreation centric definition is, all you gave me is a list of people who either can't procreate or if they did procreate might have children with some defects.
So what is the actual definition and where does it come from? Is it a term used in law? The only time I can see it is related to Christian marriage and Christian arguments against gay marriage.
I'm quite far removed from this argument because (1) I'm not gay (2) I wouldn't want to get married if I was gay (3) I don't know about law.
I don't know the difference between gay marriage and civil partnership if there is a difference and I don't know why/if homosexuals are wanting to get married within the Christian church and if they aren't wanting to get married within the Christian church why Christians would have any opinion on gay marriage anyway.
I could google all this stuff but (1) I have no motivation to do so because of the 3 points I listed previously and (2) Google has been working slow for me the past few days.
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