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Poll: Was Hitler objectively bad?
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Was Hitler objectively bad?
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RE: Was Hitler objectively bad?
I don't believe morals are objective in the sense of absolute. I do believe morals are objective in the sense that there's an overall consensus of society of what is considered "right" and what is considered "wrong" (So like science in that sense, only less solid). And I am also, of course, perfectly entitled to my own views on what I consider right and wrong.

I don't believe Hitler was Evil simply because I don't believe in Evil at all in the sense of "moral evil" because I believe it to be incompatible to my non-subscribing to retributivism which is in turn due to both my non-belief in "free will" and my general contempt for "revenge". I believe that Evil is a concept, so I don't really believe it exists in itself just as I believe the concept of God and the Easter Bunny exist but I don't believe God itself or the Easter Bunny exist.

But if by "Do you believe Hitler was evil?" you mean "Do you personally think he did really horrible, horrible, horrible things that are so horrible it can't be overstated?" then my answer is "Yes". But I don't consider that "Evil" any more than I consider natural disasters to be "Evil". It's "Moral Evil" that I don't believe in.

I do have my own personal views on morality though. And in case you need to know it is at least more or less the following. I think that: In the long run the most suffering is bad and the least suffering is good. Minimization of suffering is priority. Only then does the maximization of pleasure become important. Individuals also only suffer individually so I don't believe 10,000 people suffering is in itself worse than 1 person suffering if it's an equal amount. It's simply that the likelihood of the suffering being greater the more people there are that suffer is what makes more people suffering worse than 1 person. In itself 1 person suffering an equal amount to many others is no worse than just one of them. Because as I said, people suffer individually.

I don't believe death in itself is that bad a thing because dead people don't experience anything as far as I'm concerned because I don't believe in an afterlife. I believe that people who are alive and want to live, naturally on the whole should be considered to have some sort of "right" but at the same time, I think that's only due to them wanting to go on giving pleasure to oneself and others or minimizing one's pain, and others'. In itself since I think that minimizing of suffering is priority I think that suffering is worse than death. But of course, since the desire to live and dislike of death can be stronger than the dislike of suffering that isn't absolutely torturous, that itself is taken into the "suffering" spectrum, so not dying (or rather, not wanting to) becomes part of the whole importance of minimizing suffering.

So, I believe my answer is not quite as simple as a "yes" or "No" or "don't know". And so I haven't voted.

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Was Hitler objectively bad? - by solja247 - September 17, 2010 at 6:52 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Watson - September 17, 2010 at 7:05 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Tiberius - September 17, 2010 at 7:11 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by padraic - September 17, 2010 at 7:16 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Entropist - September 17, 2010 at 7:19 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Minimalist - September 17, 2010 at 7:23 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by solja247 - September 17, 2010 at 7:25 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Entropist - September 17, 2010 at 7:28 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Anomalocaris - September 29, 2010 at 5:44 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 17, 2010 at 12:58 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - October 17, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 17, 2010 at 7:15 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Edwardo Piet - October 20, 2010 at 6:56 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - October 20, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Edwardo Piet - October 20, 2010 at 6:35 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - October 20, 2010 at 7:16 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Edwardo Piet - October 21, 2010 at 11:54 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - October 21, 2010 at 6:29 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Edwardo Piet - October 22, 2010 at 7:29 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - October 26, 2010 at 9:17 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2010 at 10:57 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - November 1, 2010 at 7:32 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2010 at 7:00 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - November 4, 2010 at 5:21 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by solja247 - September 17, 2010 at 7:28 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Entropist - September 17, 2010 at 7:52 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by HeyItsZeus - September 17, 2010 at 8:16 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Minimalist - September 17, 2010 at 8:40 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by padraic - September 18, 2010 at 12:42 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by solja247 - September 18, 2010 at 1:12 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Entropist - September 18, 2010 at 1:18 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 1:26 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Welsh cake - September 18, 2010 at 1:25 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by solja247 - September 18, 2010 at 1:34 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 1:38 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Entropist - September 18, 2010 at 1:44 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by padraic - September 18, 2010 at 2:03 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by solja247 - September 18, 2010 at 8:02 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Entropist - September 18, 2010 at 8:08 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 8:12 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Skipper - September 18, 2010 at 8:46 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by solja247 - September 18, 2010 at 9:07 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Skipper - September 18, 2010 at 9:16 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by tackattack - September 18, 2010 at 9:27 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by solja247 - September 18, 2010 at 9:29 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Skipper - September 18, 2010 at 9:39 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Entropist - September 18, 2010 at 9:37 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by tackattack - September 18, 2010 at 9:38 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 9:38 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 9:41 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Entropist - September 18, 2010 at 9:48 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 9:55 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by krazedkat - September 19, 2010 at 1:37 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by lrh9 - September 19, 2010 at 5:32 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by downbeatplumb - September 19, 2010 at 12:52 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Cego_Colher - September 19, 2010 at 3:59 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by KichigaiNeko - September 20, 2010 at 4:48 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Dotard - September 20, 2010 at 10:53 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by lucidproject44 - September 27, 2010 at 4:51 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Edwardo Piet - September 27, 2010 at 10:53 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by The Omnissiunt One - September 27, 2010 at 5:28 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Edwardo Piet - September 28, 2010 at 5:06 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - September 28, 2010 at 5:20 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Edwardo Piet - September 28, 2010 at 5:23 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - September 28, 2010 at 5:25 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Edwardo Piet - September 28, 2010 at 8:17 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - September 28, 2010 at 8:30 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by padraic - September 29, 2010 at 6:31 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Anomalocaris - September 29, 2010 at 6:35 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by tackattack - September 29, 2010 at 11:34 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by padraic - September 30, 2010 at 2:31 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Minimalist - September 30, 2010 at 2:02 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by leo-rcc - September 30, 2010 at 4:00 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - September 30, 2010 at 4:20 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by padraic - September 30, 2010 at 6:08 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - September 30, 2010 at 7:20 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Minimalist - September 30, 2010 at 12:16 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Violet - October 2, 2010 at 1:03 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 16, 2010 at 8:24 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by padraic - October 16, 2010 at 6:58 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 16, 2010 at 7:09 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by little_monkey - October 16, 2010 at 10:59 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Rev. Rye - October 16, 2010 at 10:38 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 16, 2010 at 10:47 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 16, 2010 at 11:03 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Rev. Rye - October 17, 2010 at 4:17 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Minimalist - October 16, 2010 at 10:50 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 16, 2010 at 11:00 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 16, 2010 at 11:05 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 16, 2010 at 11:07 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by The Omnissiunt One - October 17, 2010 at 4:58 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 16, 2010 at 11:13 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 16, 2010 at 11:18 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 16, 2010 at 11:19 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Minimalist - October 16, 2010 at 11:48 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 16, 2010 at 11:51 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Minimalist - October 17, 2010 at 12:00 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 17, 2010 at 12:05 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by padraic - October 17, 2010 at 2:37 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 17, 2010 at 2:47 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Anomalocaris - October 17, 2010 at 3:22 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 17, 2010 at 12:02 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 17, 2010 at 12:14 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Minimalist - October 17, 2010 at 1:09 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 17, 2010 at 1:43 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - October 17, 2010 at 9:01 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Shell B - October 17, 2010 at 1:49 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 17, 2010 at 2:28 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Shell B - October 17, 2010 at 1:16 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Minimalist - October 17, 2010 at 1:42 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - October 17, 2010 at 7:24 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 17, 2010 at 7:51 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Shell B - October 17, 2010 at 7:52 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 17, 2010 at 7:59 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Shell B - October 17, 2010 at 8:02 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 17, 2010 at 8:13 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Shell B - October 17, 2010 at 8:17 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Rev. Rye - October 17, 2010 at 9:08 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ChromodynamicGirl - October 17, 2010 at 9:11 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Shell B - October 17, 2010 at 9:19 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - October 17, 2010 at 8:05 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Anomalocaris - October 17, 2010 at 9:28 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - October 17, 2010 at 8:00 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 17, 2010 at 9:17 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Rev. Rye - October 17, 2010 at 10:19 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - October 18, 2010 at 6:52 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Rev. Rye - October 18, 2010 at 2:31 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 17, 2010 at 10:40 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Rev. Rye - October 17, 2010 at 10:45 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 17, 2010 at 11:13 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Anomalocaris - October 18, 2010 at 3:15 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Minimalist - October 18, 2010 at 3:26 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by gmjackson - October 18, 2010 at 4:43 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 18, 2010 at 11:14 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by little_monkey - October 19, 2010 at 7:51 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 19, 2010 at 8:42 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - October 19, 2010 at 8:53 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 19, 2010 at 9:05 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - October 19, 2010 at 9:18 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 19, 2010 at 9:33 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - October 19, 2010 at 9:47 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by leo-rcc - October 19, 2010 at 10:06 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by ib.me.ub - October 19, 2010 at 11:18 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Eilonnwy - October 21, 2010 at 2:25 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by KichigaiNeko - October 22, 2010 at 6:57 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Edwardo Piet - October 21, 2010 at 2:34 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - October 22, 2010 at 8:07 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Justtristo - October 25, 2010 at 2:02 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Anomalocaris - October 25, 2010 at 2:17 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Minimalist - October 25, 2010 at 1:28 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by The Omnissiunt One - October 25, 2010 at 10:30 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - October 26, 2010 at 11:22 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by The Omnissiunt One - October 27, 2010 at 7:13 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by theVOID - November 1, 2010 at 6:00 pm
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by The Skeptic - October 31, 2010 at 11:44 am
RE: Was Hitler objectively bad? - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2010 at 7:06 am

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