(June 24, 2015 at 10:07 am)Drich Wrote:Nobody is claiming you wrote the bible, we are saying YOU have no evidence that the God of the bible exists. A history of making claims and writing them down does not make the claim true. If merely depicting a claim made something true then the polytheistic gods of Egyptian 3,000 year dynasty would make those gods real.(June 24, 2015 at 8:35 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:(June 24, 2015 at 8:02 am)Drich Wrote: Again, if you see proof of God, then you must A/S/K it from Him. [...]
Quote:What? We're supposed to bother the creator of the universe for proof of your nonsensical claims?What I am saying is the 'Creator' Offered to Share a portion of himself with anyone who will simply A/S/K as outlined in Luke 11 which will be more than enough to provide any one of us with all the 'proof' we need.
Quote: Are you implying that he does not know we're not convinced of his existence?No that is why Christ told us all we need to is to place a mustard seed's worth of faith in Him and He would have the Holy Spirit help us move mountains of doubt.
Quote:Or maybe he doesn't know how to make us believe and we need to pressure him into changing his "perfect" plan for us?That's the thing He doesnot want to Makes us anything. He has given us this life apart from His known glory so we may separate ourselves, so that we may know which of us want to be with Him and will plant that mustard seed's worth of faith in His direction and which will not, so we may stand at our faianl judgement and know that what ever He judges will be just.
Quote:Sounds very disrespectful, if you ask me. Be careful, or god will smite you with ass-cancer, for portraying him in such unflattering light....sorry sport, the claim on the behalf of God I make are all written out in the bible, they do not belong to me. Just like a dawkins quote does not belong to you. If you want proof seek the author.
No. I'd much rather bother stupid people like you. God does not make dumb claims on this forum. You do. Have some shame and take responsibility for your own words, instead of shifting burden of proof on your imaginary friends...
Humans have made god claims long before even the first written languages. You are not the only person who buys into a religion. There are countless religions even today and tons of variations off all sorts of holy books and religious traditions.
Christians are also not the only ones to use the tactics of either trying to debunk science, or when they cannot do that they try to co opt science, or they try to split the baby and treat them as "separate but equal". I have seen these tactics from Muslims, Jews, Hindues and other religions as well. Science does not prop up religion or god claims at all, not yours not any.
The only thing science can do in regards to religion, is explain in evolutionary psychological terms how our species flawed perceptions lead us to use bad logic to create groups based on false perceptions. The truth is that you merely like what you believe because that gap filling is merely YOU mentally justifying a comic book version of giving yourself a sense of self importance. It allows the follower to ignore their finite existence.
The dinosaurs didn't pray to gods, and you don't stupidly think cockroaches have a heaven or hell to fear.No religion existed 4 billion years ago, and there will be no religions or god claims at all after our species goes extinct. The universe was fine before humans concocted reflections of their own desires, and the universe will continue on fine without our human invented religions or god claims. No, it is not sexy, but it is reality.
It does not mean I don't have value for myself or other now, while I am alive. It simply means I don't create comic book stories to sugar coat reality. You really need to think about why you reject all other claims but your own to understand why atheists reject not only yours, but all god claims.