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Hellenism and all christians
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RE: Hellenism and all christians
(June 24, 2015 at 9:06 am)Metis Wrote:
(June 23, 2015 at 10:00 pm)Won2blv Wrote: 1. The NWT is not just a rewriting of the whole bible and a joke. Look up the wikipedia page. There are criticisms but the overall view is that the work is "excellent."

http://biblicalworldviewacademy.org/majo...anslation/

I literally just picked this off the first result off google and it tackles the basic problems well enough. The JW's replace words that don't suit their theology with their own as I mention below.

Quote:2. Jesus being Michael is a doctrinal issue not a textual issue.

No other Christian denomination claims Jesus is the reincarnation of the Archangel Michael. We have literally no trace of such a dogma before Charles Taze Russel announced it nor any evidence in scripture to support it.

Quote:3. Jesus dying on a stake not a cross does have some compelling evidence. The word often translated into cross is styros, meaning stake or tree

The New World Translation renders the Greek term word staurós ("cross") as "torture stake" because Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that Jesus was crucified on a cross

This isn't a word with multiple meanings, it literally can only mean cross. Torture Stake would have to be Vasanistí̱ria Pontárisma


Quote:4. Do you have references for Jehovah being Zues? Or even that Jehovah and Yahweh are two separate entities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter_%28mythology%29

http://www.factsbehindfaith.com/Jehovah.html

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1602123.htm

Jehova is a derivative of Jove, which is the English word for Jupiter. Jupiter is the Latin word for Zeus. St Augustine (as you'll find one of his works in the last links) actually had this problem in his own time with people mistaking the OT god for Zeus due to the similar language Jews and Greeks used to describe both Adonai and Zeus.

1. Read the wikipedia page. The most critical are religious figures that have biases of their own. Less biased scholars do criticize for certain aspects but give it an overall good rating for being literal and conservative. The main word that gets added is Jehovah for Kyrios. At some points it makes perfect sense because it'll be in a reference to an OT scripture that used YHWH but sometimes it might have been a bit of a stretch. I will give you that. But it only serves the purpose of the noun or proper noun not the actual context of the scripture. Oh and something being the first result on google is not exactly a proof of its validity

2. No where in the NWT is a scripture stated that Michael is Jesus. Its a doctrinal issue only. JW's believe that they are the same person. So that is bunk to claim that we changed the scriptures to suit that belief

3. Again look up the wiki for stauros. In classical greek it wasn't never used for 2 pieces of wood at a cross. It did later have that identity but there is debate on whether or not it was the method for execution when Jesus was on earth. And what the writers were even referring to. Regardless though, even if Jesus died on a cross it would never be condoned to worship that image. Especially when many scholars have acknowledge that the religious symbol is an amalgamation of the pagan ankh. So it wouldn't make a difference to JW's ultimately whether or not he died on a cross but it seems like some would have a biased reason to make it a biblical "truth"

4. Yeah sorry but those were all pretty useless. Jehovah is the most common know rendition of the tetragrammaton. That is why JW's use it. It isn't exactly the most important thing as to whether or not it is the correct one. We don't know the original pronunciation of his name. Those references didn't address the point you're making which I believe is that Jehovah a syncretism of Zues or Jupiter or Jove. Or that Jehovah and Yahweh are 2 separate entities. Hint, if they sound the same doesn't mean they are the same
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Hellenism and all christians - by Won2blv - June 20, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Won2blv - June 20, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Nope - June 23, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by downbeatplumb - June 23, 2015 at 11:05 am
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by abaris - June 23, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Alex K - June 23, 2015 at 11:15 am
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Longhorn - June 23, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Won2blv - June 24, 2015 at 11:20 am
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Metis - June 23, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Won2blv - June 23, 2015 at 10:00 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Metis - June 24, 2015 at 9:06 am
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Won2blv - June 24, 2015 at 11:58 am
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Metis - June 24, 2015 at 1:44 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Won2blv - June 24, 2015 at 2:34 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Metis - June 24, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Won2blv - June 24, 2015 at 3:38 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Metis - June 24, 2015 at 7:13 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Pyrrho - June 23, 2015 at 12:35 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by abaris - June 23, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Pyrrho - June 23, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Simon Moon - June 23, 2015 at 5:38 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by FatAndFaithless - June 24, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Won2blv - June 24, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by FatAndFaithless - June 24, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by Won2blv - June 24, 2015 at 12:25 pm
RE: Hellenism and all christians - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2015 at 1:33 pm

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