RE: Why do you think male homosexual have more mood and anxiety disorders?
June 28, 2015 at 9:51 am
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2015 at 10:04 am by Razzle.)
(June 28, 2015 at 9:30 am)PiousPaladin Wrote:(June 28, 2015 at 8:27 am)Razzle Wrote: You see this, das_atheist? This is what I was talking about. Of all the minorities, only gay men and trans women (not so much lesbians because no one cares QUITE enough to become violent over it when little girls are tomboys, which is probably why lesbians do not have an increased rate of suicide, anxiety or depression over straight women) have to deal with this when growing up. Racial minorities get support, sympathy and a sense of community from their families and churches when they're discriminated against by outsiders. Gay people typically have no one to turn to when they're growing up and no escape, either at home, at church, at school, or anywhere.
I wouldn't suffer a lesbian either, don't think only males can be sodomites. Sodomy itself describes any union not naturally ordered towards procreation.
Tomboys often grow out of it, but effeminate boys usually do not unless a serious intervention takes place. It should be no surprise then the latter warrants more attention than the former.
So you acknowledge that yes, gender atypical boys (of course not all of whom are gay, and not all gay men are gender atypical, but the correlation is strong) get much more abuse than gender atypical girls, from both adults and other children. Regardless of the underlying reason for that state of affairs (it's not what you claim, by the way, because there is no evidence that girls "grow out" of masculinity more often than boys "grow out of" femininity, or that boys need to be abused in order to grow out of it and girls don't), it is evidence that homophobia is the cause of gay men's worse mental health outcomes, and not their own conscience nagging at them that they're doing something wrong. If the cause were the latter, then gay women would have worse mental health outcomes as well, because they are also condemned by Christianity and some other religions. If conscience is the reason that gay men have bad mental health, how do you explain lesbians having on average the same, and by certain measures, better mental health than straight women?
Also, how do you explain the findings that by far and away, the worst mental health among gay men is experienced by those who report being the most feminine in childhood, and the best is reported by those who were the most masculine in childhood? Surely all should be equally plagued by religious guilt for their homosexuality, because they're all equally homosexual. Is this not pretty strong evidence that gay mental health is different because of how they're treated socially, and not because they feel they're doing something wrong? While many gay men and women do indeed fear that they're sinful, it doesn't seem to the be the cause of the mental health differences.
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