(June 28, 2015 at 12:23 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:(June 28, 2015 at 12:14 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Again your doing what gods want because you want love in heaven and not hell, if he was offering neither you would not be willing to submit to him, so it boils down to what makes you happy. You think your options are profound love in heaven or eternal torture in hell, your not picking heaven because you love god, your picking heaven because its preferable to hell.
There are two levels:
Level 1: Fear of hell/desire for heaven.
Of course we fear hell and desire heaven. That is the only sane response if heaven and hell are real.
Level 2: Love of God.
We desire to do whatever pleases God purely out of love for Him. This level is not concerned with self (heaven and hell).
Level 1 is less mature; level 2 is more mature. Similarly, our love for a spouse can be more or less mature.
Quote:Also the fact that you think an entity is showing you profound love by giving you a choice between eternal worship or eternal torture, tells me you don't care who this entity is and your really only concerned with where your ass ends up.
Not exactly. God has shown profound love for me by dying on a cross which makes it possible for me to choose.
Bullshit that's the only sane response, If the god of the bible was real I would gladly burn in hell rather than worship that monster.
Bullshit again, if god told you to submit your will but he was sending you to hell anyway, would you do it out of love? If not then clearly there is a concern for ones self. If yes well then your an idiot for loving a monster.
Saying that god died for you is ridiculous all by it self, but I wont get into that. Why did he die on the cross, to save you from hell, a place he created, a place he sends people. Your saying god gave you two choices, submit your will to him (slavery) or burn in hell and then your saying he loves you because you picked slavery over torture.
