Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Argumet

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[b]I'm having a hard time getting my head around what is being written here. Gays shouldn't be allowed to marry because it takes a man and a woman to have a baby? The population is so ridiculously high that, if anything, we should be finding ways of reducing it, not improving efficiency.[/b]
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Do you know of another way?

  Even IVF still requires the main ingredients of a sperm (male)  and egg (female)   . With IVF, just like natural conception, fertility treatment using IVF still remains in the hands of nature in the end . . .”

http://fertility.treatmentabroad.com/about-infertility/faqs/how-effective-is-ivf

IVF its self is not without its own complication, like any natural creation of a baby, IVF is associated with high order multiple pregnancy,  add significantly to the number of premature births. Ovarian stimulation leads to up to 5% of women developing ovarian hyper-stimulation syndrome (OHSS) which is a life-threatening condition. The long-term effects of repeated ovarian stimulation may increase the risk of ovarian, endometrial and breast cancer. It is likewise an extremely expensive treatment for the average individual to pay. (Geeta, Intro) “A US study has shown that the success rate of IVF does drop away sharply.”

http://fertility.treatmentabroad.com/about-infertility/faqs/how-effective-is-ivf

-  Geeta Nargund1, John Waterstone, J.Martin Bland, Zoe Philips4, John Parsons and Stuart Campbell. Cumulative conception and live birth rates in natural (unstimulated) IVF cycles. Oxford Journal of Reproduction, 2000

Also, egg donation is extremely limited unlike sperm

And...What has this got to do with marriage? Nothing, as far as I can see. Being married or not married has no effect on people's ability to have children. I see talk of "resources" like we're on the brink of extinction and we can't afford to give that last bit of bread to the guy who is terminally ill.
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True having kids has nothing to do with marriage, however, the argument accepted by both gay and straight is the child rising is has a better out come in a two parent home.   I agree with the over use of lack of resource, but, the issue of population is actually a very important issue in Western Europe, America and Japan which is extremely low. (link for numinous articles on the issue).

[color=#3366fhttp://us.wow.com/searchs_pt=source2&s_it=aolsem&s_chn=87&q=birth%20rates%20decline


 Many nations are provided economic incentives Netherlands, for an example of the latter, gives every family a kinderbijslag, or child supplement, of an average of about $1,300 per child per year to age 13, and less thereafter. Italy adopted a national policy of offering 1,000 euros to every mother who had a second child. I say they should also give out free beer

New York Times did a pieces one this issue : http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/magazi...d=all&_r=0#


However I do have a question,  if marriage and children are not important why was it used in the same sex argument in the supreme court?


If there is an argument further to the above, I haven't been able to fathom it. You seem to be treating society as if we're at a theoretical tipping point while failing to demonstrate that we are; or that marriage has anything to do with the issue. I'm having trouble believing this is really why you are against it. If you're actually not against it, then please don't feel the need to try and make the case anyway
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In short I want to say self views always create a bias that unless the argument is in favor then any opposing argument will not or be  so easily accepted. It happen's.

We were just having a general debate on the issue and the subject headed in this direction. Sorry

As to your request on ending the discussion, if the intent is to please and speak only to you, then this thread should end immediately, as you have stated. Since there are likely others and you are not the only one participating I will continue under the assumption that while the argument is not pleasing to you it is no less poignant and viable to us all.

Last I check the U.S. does grant free speech good, bad, for and against. Or has the Supreme Court Ruled on the end of free speech and we are in some dictatorial one ideal,  one voice only nation because the freedom of speech diminishes someone’s dignity and security? 

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The belief - or in some cases even hope - that Judgement Day will render such issues as climate change and overpopulation moot is in my opinion as big a problem as the two issues themselves.
I'm sure I detect a whiff of it in this thread...

Personally I am hoping for no Judgement Day. Especially when I am still on this planet!! It is with hope/faith that humanity will get its head out of its ass and address the major issues respectful. Yet, given our history of action for the greater good, J. Day may be the only way it will be fix.

DAME THAT IS SOME TWISTED SHIT - If we need to let it ride, so be it, just not when I am still breathing.