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Abortion -cpr on the fetus?
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RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus?
(July 3, 2015 at 6:17 pm)answer-is-42 Wrote: You sir or madam do not know what you are talking about. Between the 2 of us, one of us has an MD. It's not you.  Additionally I agree that neuronal development accelerates at 28 weeks, but that does NOT mean that it hasn't already stated. Premature infants are born at < 28 weeks and survive. Some are developmentally delayed, but that is irrelevant to the moral discussion. You are now going into the territory of determining a worthwhile life and that is a different slippery slope. My question was primarily of survival.  By the way, I have personally cared for an infant born at 24 weeks due to medical complication /emergency (ecclampsia) she had a Rough initial road but is a very happy 9 year old now.
Again, stick to what you know (it ain't biology) and talk about the morality of allowing a living fetus to die outside the body of another without medical support that isnknown and available. You still haven't given a good Moral arguement for this.

Let's start with the philosophical basis for not killing one's children, at any age, post-partum.  Why shouldn't I decide that my 5 year-old son isn't developing properly and pull the plug?  The answer, I think, is that he has a name, and feelings, and memories, and most of the other things that define human EXPERIENCE.  It's not because his heart is beating: if he were chronically unable to experience anything (like if he were brain dead), we would be fine with pulling the plug.

Some animals, like adult pigs, have developed a higher intelligence than a new-born infant.  They also have memories and feelings.  And yet, we'll slit a pig's throat in a second for a couple slices of bacon.  Why is this?

The answer is that this is not so much a philosophical question as an emotional question dressed in philosophical clothing.  Or a religious one. You see a fetus as a person, and start having fantasies about what it could be some day. What dies is not that person, which currently has no more to feel than a tadpole, and probably less. What dies are your fantasies-- and I don't see why a pregnant woman should be burdened with maintaining your happy daydreams.
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Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 4:55 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by LastPoet - July 3, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Longhorn - July 3, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 5:20 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 5:34 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Longhorn - July 3, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Longhorn - July 3, 2015 at 5:39 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by AFTT47 - July 3, 2015 at 5:39 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 5:39 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 5:56 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Longhorn - July 3, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 6:10 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 6:11 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 6:24 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by bennyboy - July 3, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by brewer - July 3, 2015 at 7:25 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 6:25 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 6:35 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 3, 2015 at 7:03 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 6:36 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 6:39 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Napoléon - July 3, 2015 at 6:40 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 6:49 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 7:23 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 6:41 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 6:44 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 6:50 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by brewer - July 3, 2015 at 7:16 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 7:34 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 3, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 6:42 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 6:45 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 6:46 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 6:52 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 3, 2015 at 6:58 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 7:02 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 3, 2015 at 7:06 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 7:02 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by brewer - July 3, 2015 at 7:06 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 8:18 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 7:40 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 7:46 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 7:50 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 7:50 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 7:56 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by brewer - July 3, 2015 at 8:34 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 7:57 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 8:12 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 8:26 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 8:28 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by rexbeccarox - July 3, 2015 at 8:08 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 8:09 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 8:17 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 8:32 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by rexbeccarox - July 3, 2015 at 8:20 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 8:26 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 8:28 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 8:33 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 8:32 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 8:38 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by bennyboy - July 3, 2015 at 9:16 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by bennyboy - July 3, 2015 at 9:17 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 8:55 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 9:13 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 8:52 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 9:05 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by rexbeccarox - July 3, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 9:03 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by rexbeccarox - July 3, 2015 at 9:11 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 9:04 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 9:09 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 9:21 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Dystopia - July 3, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 9:14 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 9:16 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 9:43 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 9:19 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by rexbeccarox - July 3, 2015 at 9:22 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 9:24 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Regina - July 3, 2015 at 9:23 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 9:25 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by brewer - July 3, 2015 at 9:25 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 9:30 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 9:38 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Regina - July 3, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 9:41 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 10:29 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 3, 2015 at 10:32 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 10:40 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 11:18 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 11:25 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 11:32 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 10:58 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by rexbeccarox - July 3, 2015 at 11:01 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 4, 2015 at 12:47 am
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 11:00 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 11:03 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 11:19 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 11:21 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 11:23 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 11:42 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Minimalist - July 4, 2015 at 12:31 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 11:25 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 11:27 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 11:35 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 11:34 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 3, 2015 at 11:57 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Longhorn - July 4, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 11:34 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by rexbeccarox - July 3, 2015 at 11:37 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 11:36 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 11:39 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by rexbeccarox - July 3, 2015 at 11:44 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 11:40 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 11:49 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 11:50 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by rexbeccarox - July 3, 2015 at 11:52 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 3, 2015 at 11:53 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 4, 2015 at 12:06 am
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by bennyboy - July 4, 2015 at 3:23 am
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Pyrrho - July 4, 2015 at 12:29 am
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 4, 2015 at 12:58 am
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Ravenshire - July 4, 2015 at 2:43 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 4, 2015 at 8:22 am
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 4, 2015 at 12:22 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by bennyboy - July 4, 2015 at 5:45 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Pyrrho - July 4, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by brewer - July 4, 2015 at 8:26 am
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 4, 2015 at 8:32 am
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by brewer - July 4, 2015 at 10:08 am
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 4, 2015 at 12:48 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 4, 2015 at 1:09 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 4, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 4, 2015 at 2:31 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 4, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 4, 2015 at 1:30 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 4, 2015 at 2:44 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Minimalist - July 4, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 4, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 4, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by bennyboy - July 4, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Cato - July 4, 2015 at 5:58 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 4, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by popsthebuilder - July 4, 2015 at 5:03 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by answer-is-42 - July 4, 2015 at 9:09 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by Pyrrho - July 4, 2015 at 11:09 pm
RE: Abortion -cpr on the fetus? - by bennyboy - July 5, 2015 at 12:50 am

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