(July 3, 2015 at 4:16 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:(July 3, 2015 at 3:24 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Okay. Was Jesus crucified? Did he die? Was he buried in a tomb? Did he rise from the dead? Did he appear to his disciples? And is he God?
Yes, yes, yes, no, no, ffs no.
Quote:Getting obstinate people to agree that Jesus was a real person is just one step in a painfully slow process.
Oh for fuck's sake.
Omnipotent, omnipresent being that cares what I think about it, but providing evidence for its exchange is a painfully slow process?
Do you realize how fucking insane that sounds?
I'll repeat my request. Give me solid, tangible, real world evidence that the notion of baptism and original sin has any bearing on physical reality.
Don't get too comfortable, my friend. God may yet surprise you. On 23 November 1654, between 10:30 and 12:30 at night, Blaise Pascal had an intense religious vision and immediately recorded the experience in a brief note to himself:
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The year of grace 1654, Monday, 23 November, feast of St. Clement, pope and martyr, and others in the martyrology.
Vigil of St. Chrysogonus, martyr, and others.
From about half past ten at night until about half past midnight,
FIRE.
GOD of Abraham, GOD of Isaac, GOD of Jacob
not of the philosophers and of the learned.
Certitude. Certitude. Feeling. Joy. Peace.
GOD of Jesus Christ.
My God and your God.
Your GOD will be my God.
Forgetfulness of the world and of everything, except GOD.
He is only found by the ways taught in the Gospel.
Grandeur of the human soul.
Righteous Father, the world has not known you, but I have known you.
Joy, joy, joy, tears of joy.
I have departed from him:
They have forsaken me, the fount of living water.
My God, will you leave me?
Let me not be separated from him forever.
This is eternal life, that they know you, the one true God, and the one that you sent, Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ.
I left him; I fled him, renounced, crucified.
Let me never be separated from him.
He is only kept securely by the ways taught in the Gospel:
Renunciation, total and sweet.
Complete submission to Jesus Christ and to my director.
Eternally in joy for a day's exercise on the earth.
May I not forget your words. Amen.
He seems to have carefully sewn this document into his coat and always transferred it when he changed clothes; a servant discovered it only by chance after his death. This piece is now known as the Memorial.
