(July 5, 2015 at 8:43 am)Mr.wizard Wrote:(July 5, 2015 at 8:32 am)A Theist Wrote: I don't think the owners were denying gays other services in their bakery, they just had a problem with being forced to recognize gay weddings, against their religious convictions, by baking the lesbian couple a wedding cake. This is playing out exactly the way people of faith feared it would.
Bullshit! They refused to bake a cake for a couple because they where gay, who cares what the occasion was for. Their business is baking cakes, its not to tell people what marriages they think should be recognized. Would you be ok if they refused to bake a cake for an interracial marriage?
This does not violate religious freedom in any way shape or form, you cannot use your religion to violate somebody else's civil rights, that is not religious freedom.
Yeah, Bullshit backatcha! Yes it does violate their religious freedom. Unlike serving up some coffee and a doughnut or a cream puff, baking a wedding cake for those two lesbians and being forced to recognize gay marriage was an infringement on the Baker's religious convictions.
Quote:you cannot use your religion to violate somebody else's civil rights, that is not religious freedom.
What about the other way around? Can someone use their Civil Rights to violate the Civil Rights of others, namely, Freedom Of Religion?
Quote:Would you be ok if they refused to bake a cake for an interracial marriage?Only if the interracial couple were gay.
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