(July 5, 2015 at 12:44 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Sadly, there will always be Christians who give bad answers to good questions, but that does not mean that there are no good answers. A better answer to the question would be the following:
Quote:Consider this saying from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount:
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened (Matthew 7.7-8).
By “seeking,” Jesus obviously didn’t mean a merely intellectual inquiry but a genuine search of the soul, a spiritual quest in humility and with a contrite heart. This teaching comports well with the universal salvific will of God (I Timothy 2.3-4; II Peter 3.9).
Of course, God’s providence in each person’s life plays itself out over time. God’s existence may not be evident to someone at certain stages of his life but may become evident when and through what means God chooses. If a person is truly seeking God, he will persist in his search and will eventually find God.
Read more: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/is-gods-e...z3f2IXMpik
... Why doesn't the bit you've highlighted trouble you at all?
We've had discussions on this exact verse before, there's a regular theist who we had to show the door earlier this year who just loved that passage, and something that he, you, and apparently WLC seem to share in your approach to it is that you all take care to make it an unfalsifiable test. When he was told that people here had sought god in the way described in that passage, but didn't find him, this other theist would dismiss us out of hand: we weren't performing the search correctly, because we stopped searching. But if I can't ever consider the search over, then there's no failure state, just people who didn't do it right, and christians. You can't define a test so that it only has a success state.
What you're saying here is no different from the answers you dismissed as bad earlier: just believe and don't stop.
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee
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