(July 5, 2015 at 3:12 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(July 5, 2015 at 12:44 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Sadly, there will always be Christians who give bad answers to good questions, but that does not mean that there are no good answers. A better answer to the question would be the following:
... Why doesn't the bit you've highlighted trouble you at all?
We've had discussions on this exact verse before, there's a regular theist who we had to show the door earlier this year who just loved that passage, and something that he, you, and apparently WLC seem to share in your approach to it is that you all take care to make it an unfalsifiable test. When he was told that people here had sought god in the way described in that passage, but didn't find him, this other theist would dismiss us out of hand: we weren't performing the search correctly, because we stopped searching. But if I can't ever consider the search over, then there's no failure state, just people who didn't do it right, and christians. You can't define a test so that it only has a success state.
What you're saying here is no different from the answers you dismissed as bad earlier: just believe and don't stop.
Let's not ignore the psychology in play here, either:
It's that questions against the faith are the path to becoming an enemy. Why don't you want to believe? Don't you want to be like the rest of us? See how happy everyone else is? You must not really want to find god. Pray harder, seek harder. Keep reading the bible. Failure indicates a closed heart. Why are you like that? etc.
The entire line of thinking is designed to shame those who, try as they might, don't buy into everything hook, line, and sinker from leaving. It's How to Train Your Cultist 101. The person who can't find god is bad and defective rather than the religion. Fall in line or be shunned and/or harassed. I know that several other members here have harrowing accounts of what it was like to separate from their churches because of the caustic group think that is part and parcel of religion.
That it's one of the go-to arguments apologists resort to really tells you all you need to know about what they're selling. I've said it before, but P. T. Barnum was more honest.
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