(July 8, 2015 at 12:25 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: If I remember correctly, Augustine addressed the issue of free will in heaven, so all they would have to be is well-read.I just downloaded two of Augustine's books in audiobook format. The City of God and Confessions Books I-XIII. I guess that's the unabridged version since they also have a version that only goes to Book X.
By the way, if you want to read religious craziness from someone who was relatively intelligent for a religious nut, Augustine is a good choice. Of course, he was still a religious nut, and much of his writing is tedious. Very tedious. But he is much more intelligent than the Christians one typically finds on internet forums. Much, much more intelligent.
If you want a suggestion for a start, let me know. If you want to know what kind of jerk he was, you can read his Confessions, but make sure you get an unabridged version, as he has an interesting discussion of time that is often edited out of abridged versions. But if you wanted an introduction to his views, probably you should go with The Enchiridion on Faith, Hope, and Love. Both of those books are much shorter than his City of God, and they are more than tedious enough. I doubt you will have the stomach for anything longer than those short books, and you may not have the stomach for them.
Just to be clear, I am not particularly recommending that you read those books. If you want something actually good, you will want to read something from a different author. If you want good books that deal with religion, I suggest David Hume's Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion or his Natural History of Religion. The first deals with philosophical arguments regarding the existence of god and related matters, and the second is a history or prehistory of the development of religion. David Hume was both a philosopher and historian. His History of England was once very popular, though of course it does not cover anything that has happened in the past couple of hundred years; he died in 1776.
Oh damn. I see Drippy and GC in here back to back. What have I started? Oh well, let me go back up here and see what they're talking about. This is going to get interesting.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.