Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?

[tonechaser77]

1.) My view of slavery is not narrow by any means.

Does your definition embody paid employment? no you say? then your definition is not as expanded as the greek word used in the NT to describe slavery.

It's the same view that others held when they finally realized this is not the way the world should work. I can't believe you honestly expect anyone to believe that people support biblical slavery today by renaming slavery to "work".

That is literally because your definition of slavery is not as expansive as the greek word dullos. Because again the word dullos can mean a paid employee/servant. Matter of fact the word is used interchangeably with slave/servant over 120 times, with contextual preference being the only divider in the text.

In the greek there are 5 different words with 5 different aspects or meanings that we in the English translate into the single word 'love.' the same is true here with the word slave, but in reverse. The greeks have one word to describe 5 different aspects of 'service/employment' in the English.

Just because a literal translation will always translate Dullos into Slave/Servant does not mean that the bible is speaking of the 17th century cotton plantation variety.

So no, I won't accept your false equivocation. The tenants were far different. The biblical form of slavery was a clear violation to human rights and the consequences for disobedience were FAR more immoral then consequences for disobedience at work under a modern U.S. like society. The last time I checked my employer couldn't beat me if I didn't show up to work. 

Again you are only describing one aspect of slavery.

2.) The metaphor itself is a true metaphor. The idea behind is what is inexplicably false and should be admonished. The theology behind the slave / eunuch cast system represented in the OT is quite clear in showing the once slave willingly return to his master to become his literal property and be castrated as a eunuch. This is big brother 101 like I mentioned before. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is good. Questioning is bad. 

Ok... So?

You do understand That the Old Testament represents a completely different religion that is no longer practiced anywhere in the world right? That is why in the New testament OT Jews who Practiced the rules and regulations found in the NT were known to have been converted To Christianity correct? And you are aware that The way 'slaves' were viewed and treated was indeed augmented from the Old to the New covenants right?

3.) If your will is superceded to your master, god, then we have a real problem because i know you're going to start with "knowing god's will" by what he says in the bible. How do you know it's actually his word?

That's a simple question to answer.
I know the bible is God's word, because in the bible are a set of direction for one to literally find and have a interactive relationship with him.
I found and followed said instructions, resulting in promised relationship with the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that inspired the bible in the first place. it is through the Holy Spirit that God's bible has been verified.

Because the bible says so.

Actually it happens in reverse order. I know or am given a precept and then verify it in the bible through study.

But why believe the bible? Because it's the infallible word of god.....

Actually the bible only claims to ever be the truth of God, and the tool used to find God. With in the pages of the bible it never claims to be infallible.

and here we go with the same old circular arguments.

Uh.. no. try again sport.

The bible is in fact, the reason I become a non-believer. When it's looked at in the correct manner, conflicting stories, atrocities, misogyny, injustice, cruelty and violence etc. it's easy to see that it is not the inspired word of god, but written by many humans, with differing viewpoints, all of which have been the cause of mass confusion. It's why there are so many sects of christianity. The can't all be right...and how do you decide which one is? Oh I know,  A/S/K.  No, that's nonsense because the answer you receive is purely subjective to what you think anyway. It's an interpretation and who's to say you're correct and the person sitting next to you isn't? 

Sorry Brich but the rationalizations just don't add up regardless of the spin you or anyone else puts on them.

examples?

All this is completely beside the point. Even if I grant you every point that you have made, what you're left with in regards to slavery is a view of moral relativism and fluidity where the system gradually regresses to the point we are at today. I just so happen to agree that this is what happened, however not by any inspiration of god. 

You do understand That the Old Testament represents a completely different religion that is no longer practiced anywhere in the world right? That is why in the New testament OT Jews who Practiced the rules and regulations found in the NT were known to have been converted To Christianity correct? And you are aware that The way 'slaves' were viewed and treated was indeed augmented from the Old to the New covenants right?

You agree that the god of the NT is the god of the OT right? And I would hope you would agree that the form of slavery practiced in the OT was horrendous and not how people should have been treated regardless of who they were.  So you would agree that god commanded or in the LEAST condoned horrendous acts in the past then. Let's hope you've forgiven him for that. 

The problem is that you and the biblical writers take one word (in this case the word for slavery) and assign multiple meanings from the worst possible definition to the best possible definition. What does this cause? Major confusion, which your god is not the author of, at least I thought. Just think; god, in his infinite wisdom and omnipotence, could have avoided all the pain and suffering caused from slavery (regardless of the what definition you use for it)  by simply adjudicating it from the very beginning. It could have been one of the 600+ laws in the Torah. Problem solved. He certainly didn't tolerate children being unruly, as they received a death sentence. Why didn't he show the same intolerance for slavery?   

I know the bible is God's word, because in the bible are a set of direction for one to literally find and have a interactive relationship with him.

I found and followed said instructions, resulting in promised relationship with the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that inspired the bible in the first place. it is through the Holy Spirit that God's bible has been verified.

What you have a relationship with is your mind and confirmation bias. That's where all this rests. As I stated before, there is no verifiable evidence for the existence of a god. The god of the gaps argument is closing by the minute and if god exists, it sure doesn't seem to care about making himself known in a way that would truly be seen and accepted by everyone. And why would he not do this? Why would he not want all to believe? Your statement about the holy spirit is merely an argument from religious experience, a self-authenticating mystical mind set. 

Your system is broke. It doesn't stand up to reason and logic and I sure hope that someday you will see that. In the mean time, if you continue to believe, and I have no doubt that you will, I just hope that you are at least acting in a way that will help people, in our world as we know it. I may not come to agreement with you concerning god or anything spiritual but we should at least be able to work together to change the world with regards to poverty, slavery, human rights, clean water, disease eradication, etc. I wish you the best Brich.