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Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
(July 9, 2015 at 5:25 pm)tonechaser77 Wrote:
(July 9, 2015 at 1:27 pm)Drich Wrote: Does your definition embody paid employment? no you say? then your definition is not as expanded as the greek word used in the NT to describe slavery.

That is literally because your definition of slavery is not as expansive as the greek word dullos. Because again the word dullos can mean a paid employee/servant. Matter of fact the word is used interchangeably with slave/servant over 120 times, with contextual preference being the only divider in the text.

In the greek there are 5 different words with 5 different aspects or meanings that we in the English translate into the single word 'love.' the same is true here with the word slave, but in reverse. The greeks have one word to describe 5 different aspects of 'service/employment' in the English.

Just because a literal translation will always translate Dullos into Slave/Servant does not mean that the bible is speaking of the 17th century cotton plantation variety.

Again you are only describing one aspect of slavery.

Ok... So?

You do understand That the Old Testament represents a completely different religion that is no longer practiced anywhere in the world right? That is why in the New testament OT Jews who Practiced the rules and regulations found in the NT were known to have been converted To Christianity correct? And you are aware that The way 'slaves' were viewed and treated was indeed augmented from the Old to the New covenants right?

That's a simple question to answer.
I know the bible is God's word, because in the bible are a set of direction for one to literally find and have a interactive relationship with him.
I found and followed said instructions, resulting in promised relationship with the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that inspired the bible in the first place. it is through the Holy Spirit that God's bible has been verified.

Actually it happens in reverse order. I know or am given a precept and then verify it in the bible through study.

Actually the bible only claims to ever be the truth of God, and the tool used to find God. With in the pages of the bible it never claims to be infallible.

Uh.. no. try again sport.

examples?


All this is completely beside the point. Even if I grant you every point that you have made, what you're left with in regards to slavery is a view of moral relativism and fluidity where the system gradually regresses to the point we are at today. I just so happen to agree that this is what happened, however not by any inspiration of god. 

Quote:You do understand That the Old Testament represents a completely different religion that is no longer practiced anywhere in the world right? That is why in the New testament OT Jews who Practiced the rules and regulations found in the NT were known to have been converted To Christianity correct? And you are aware that The way 'slaves' were viewed and treated was indeed augmented from the Old to the New covenants right?

You agree that the god of the NT is the god of the OT right? And I would hope you would agree that the form of slavery practiced in the OT was horrendous and not how people should have been treated regardless of who they were.  So you would agree that god commanded or in the LEAST condoned horrendous acts in the past then. Let's hope you've forgiven him for that. 

The problem is that you and the biblical writers take one word (in this case the word for slavery) and assign multiple meanings from the worst possible definition to the best possible definition. What does this cause? Major confusion, which your god is not the author of, at least I thought. Just think; god, in his infinite wisdom and omnipotence, could have avoided all the pain and suffering caused from slavery (regardless of the what definition you use for it)  by simply adjudicating it from the very beginning. It could have been one of the 600+ laws in the Torah. Problem solved. He certainly didn't tolerate children being unruly, as they received a death sentence. Why didn't he show the same intolerance for slavery?   

Quote:I know the bible is God's word, because in the bible are a set of direction for one to literally find and have a interactive relationship with him.

I found and followed said instructions, resulting in promised relationship with the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that inspired the bible in the first place. it is through the Holy Spirit that God's bible has been verified.

What you have a relationship with is your mind and confirmation bias. That's where all this rests. As I stated before, there is no verifiable evidence for the existence of a god. The god of the gaps argument is closing by the minute and if god exists, it sure doesn't seem to care about making himself known in a way that would truly be seen and accepted by everyone. And why would he not do this? Why would he not want all to believe? Your statement about the holy spirit is merely an argument from religious experience, a self-authenticating mystical mind set. 

Your system is broke. It doesn't stand up to reason and logic and I sure hope that someday you will see that. In the mean time, if you continue to believe, and I have no doubt that you will, I just hope that you are at least acting in a way that will help people, in our world as we know it. I may not come to agreement with you concerning god or anything spiritual but we should at least be able to work together to change the world with regards to poverty, slavery, human rights, clean water, disease eradication, etc. I wish you the best Brich. 

The Quran says in Surah 2 verse 177:

It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the prophets; and giveth wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the God-fearing.


Too bad that the bible never has a single passage this clear in regards to slavery, I guess Mohammad was right, the bible has been corrupted. Big Grin
Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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