(July 11, 2015 at 4:30 am)tonechaser77 Wrote:(July 11, 2015 at 4:18 am)robvalue Wrote: Let me see if I can construct a generic apologetics argument:
2) God can do what he wants because no one can stop him.
3) God gets to say what is and isn't "good", because no on can stop him doing so.
4) God says everything he does is good, so it is. Because he says so.
5) God isn't constrained by logic or arguments, because he invented those in the first place. So if you think you've found a way to show that anything about god or his actions are incoherent, contradictory or impossible, you're wrong and he is right.
6) Everything is evidence that god exists. My god, that is.
So we can see by point 6 that god does exist, and by point 5 there can be freewill in heaven without contradicting sin and free will being intertwined.
Whoops, did I miss out the first part of the argument? Yes, apologists always miss out this point. Here it is:
1) I presume to speak for god.
Well, I'll stop you right there. You can presume whatever you want. If god wants to say something, let him say it. You'd think of all people he wouldn't have trouble communicating. Is he locked in a soundproof dungeon?
What scares me the most is that people like this, people like Brich for example, are of the same mindset as the most extreme supporters of Islam. And we know where that brings us to.
If Christians had power in this country as Muslims have in Afghanistan, we need only look at the Crusades, the Inquisition and the Salam witch hunts to know what things would be like here.
Anybody who thinks we're slaves spiritually anyway would have no problem reinstituting slavery as a real institution. The man is sick and GC is overdue for a visit from the men in the long white coats.
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The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.