(July 11, 2015 at 10:24 am)Randy Carson Wrote:I never thought I'd give kudos to a theist, but thank you, Randy from the bottom of my heart. You have buttressed the point of this thread more than the last 12 pages.(July 11, 2015 at 12:58 am)Rhythm Wrote: Makes it kind of cheap, if you ask me. Is that your idea of heaven then, no more bad choices [emphasis added]? A picture of a man emerges....
Oh, my. Yes, indeed.
If there is no free will in heaven, it would be kinda cheap, wouldn't it?
SO, WHY IS EARTH ANY DIFFERENT?
I've been saying all along that the reason that there is suffering and pain in this life is because without free will, we would be robots and life would become trivial. Without free will here on earth, "no more bad choices".
You have reasoned your way to the Christian perspective quite well.
(Undoubtedly, many denials, retractions and rebuttals will follow, but the cat is out of the bag.)
Now DRICH and GC, you've put a great deal of effort denying what Randy has just confirmed, Christians have said that freewill is the reason god allows sin. If this is so then either we won't have freewill in Heaven or we will be able to sin there. If it will be possible to have freewill without sin in Heaven then it would have been possible in the Garden of Eden and thus here on Earth.
Take any aspect of the Christian story to its logical conclusion and you have impossibilities, contradictions and situations that just ain't so.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.