RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 11, 2015 at 12:03 pm
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2015 at 12:16 pm by Metis.
Edit Reason: Kept mispelling Tertuillan
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(July 11, 2015 at 11:52 am)Randy Carson Wrote:(July 11, 2015 at 11:46 am)Metis Wrote: But to choose anything but the option that produces the maximum Good would be a bad, a sin. So there can only ever be one option, which contradicts the notion of free will.
Shotgun Blackmail: "Do what I want or else!"
1) How is the love from a hostage at gun point any more real than a Stepford wife? I'd suggest it would be less so, since at very least the Stepford Wife cannot experience fear unless you want her to.
2) I don't know about you, but when I met my partner I just asked him out, I didn't suspend him over a lake of fire by his ankles waving a book at him screeching "Love me or Burn!!!"
Before I address any of this, have you read Akin's article in full?
Indeed. I know he tries to explain away the inability to choose evil by impeccability but let me ask you this. Supposing I was to preform some brain surgery on you now, and I removed your capacity to feel anger and jealousy. Now, you may be a far nicer person for it but it's not due to any merit of your own, you have been forced to submit to my free will arbitrarily. You aren't "good", you're just being prevented from my power from doing "bad" things. I am controlling you and forcing you to be calm and passive simply because it pleases me. You may like the result afterwards, but had you the capacity to feel anger you might be more than a little upset that I just decided to reprogram you like that.
It all comes back to the same problem Randy, other Christians manage to escape the loop but Catholicism is just one big hostage situation. You've got a controlling parent with a shotgun and it's his way or you're fucked. You're actually worse than fucked, at least a controlling parent can't actually torture you after you die.
If this controlling parent actually had any interest in preventing or discouraging evil or improving creation this would be one thing, but while it does condemn murderers (sometimes, we all know it enjoys a good roast heretic according to Aquinas and Tertuillan) there is no interest in correction, not even retribution since there comes a point where fair payment has been reached. There is just an interest in senseless never ending sadism, just for the fun of it.
I've always been astounded how nice Catholics can be on a ground level, but on how sadistic their theology is.