Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Argumet

[Anima]

If depopulation is the solution, the quality that most significantly impacts continued consumption is the creation of new consumers. Heterosexuals vastly outnumber homosexuals in this department so you should start there if this is your concern. Aside from this, there isn't a bit of difference between the two groups and other criteria should then be assessed.

I would recommend you read post http://atheistforums.org/thread-33691-po...#pid983220 in regards to the argument that homosexuality is a means to decrease over-consumption. Of course over-population is not the problem in regards to over-consumption. I was simply saying if we wish to consider it so we should consider our goal is to curtail and control population not to eliminate it altogether.

This is not at all what I said. I simply made the argument that reproductive capacity cannot be used as a litmus test since homosexuals have the capacity. A homosexual woman reproducing via IVF is not hetero activity.

A homosexual woman reproducing via IVF is engaged in a hetero activity. The activity requires the combination of ovum from the female and sperma from the male. By definition this is hetero activity. Sorry to say but babies only come from the combination of male and female (aka Hetero!)

Your biggest problem here is demonstrating that homosexuality in and of itself or its manifestations is inherently unethical. I don't think you'll be successful here. Without this, your sociopath equivocation becomes absurd.

Already done. http://atheistforums.org/thread-33691-po...#pid979272 where argument is made in terms of harm. Argument was made further back in regards to social/biological/teleological benefit/purpose.

I may have missed the previous part of the discussion, but the existence of IVF removes the requirement of sexuality for ovum with sperma reproduction. Essentially we're just talking delivery method which precedes conception, gestation and birth. The part in all of this you have either missed, or recognize and intentionally skirt, is that heterosexuality is not a requirement for continuation of the species.

Might want to read up on how In Vitro Fertilization. Ovum and sperma are still required (even cloning still requires the two components while the genial information is removed from the sperma).

Umm. Heterosexuality is essential to the continuation of the species. I already covered IVF and how that is in no way a readily replaceable method of procreation to the natural process as it costs about $70k-60k to perform, requires three persons instead of two, and utilizes tons of resources not readily available throughout the world. I provided the link above.

Again, procreative intimacy is not required for reproduction.

Your argument has no basis in reality today. I am really at a loss for understanding why you establish an extreme scenario of over-consumption to establish a need to choose who stays and who goes only to want to rid the population of those that don't have a natural proclivity for the traditional method of delivering sperma to the ovum; i.e., creating more consumers. This makes absolutely no sense.

HAaaaaaa hhhhaaaa!! My argument has no basis in reality today? Where do you think most people come from even TODAY?! Here is a hint, IT ISN'T IVF!!! Generally speaking the world over procreative intimacy is still required for reproduction. The world is not just the US and Western Europe.

As stated above the argument to over-population was not mine. But the argument will further eliminate the social/biological value of homosexuals because the cost and resources required for IVF procreation is unsustainable in the long term or for the majority of people throughout the world. The truth is under population is a current issue which homosexuality does not resolve, but only exacerbates. So if we consider a world of over-populated they are not necessary and need not be encourage and if we consider the world as it is they are no necessary and need not be encouraged. If we further consider the subjects of harm as previously discussed their existence in socially harmful.