"Free Will" Belief/Disbelief Poll

[theVOID]

Why would we not want to act? The risk is too great not to.

Under your definition, you do not have a 'want'. It seems for you there is some magical force making you do things, independent of yourself.

1. The fact that i have wants is self evident saying otherwise is just absurd, the meaning of the word does not change whether my wants are caused or uncaused. I say they are fully caused by constituents operating under physical law, a causal chain that leads to each of my actions based on the totality of all psychological and physical processes involved prior to that moment. There is absolutely no way to discern between the two based on behavior because all of the same known behavioral phenomenon can be accounted for in each.

2. There is no 'magical force' making me do things, just the laws of nature playing out, some of it is of course independent of me, such as the situation, the laws of nature that allow for the nature of the chemical bonds in my body, the nature of my brain etc. So most of the resulting want has to do with factors that are entirely within me, but there are also external factors in play at every decision. All of the memories i have, all my knowledge and beliefs, previous experiences, social conditioning etc are all things that will cause me to act differently than given the same situation where these things are markedly different. This too is all part of causality, and i doubt you would argue that this doesn't happen.

Things can already be predicted, it is already known, in this world even if this is an indeterministic one.

...I don't deny determinism though.

That is fate then!!! [/quote]

Not really, fate usually suggests some cosmic plan rather than a causal chain that happened because of it's nature rather than any intentions. They are in the same ballpark of ideas but are significantly different in the 'why'.

You think ahead.

You two seem to be thinking along the same flawewd logic lines. And you both sound like serial killers. I hope this force (or whatever this independent thing that drives you is) dosen't make you do something stupid. You may have a very long time to think about it.

And, im not going to answer your flawed logic & semantics any more, unless ofcourse, I choose to do so. lol

There is no flawed logic, you just don't have a clue what the issues are, which is entirely typical for you.

I sound like a serial killer? Yeah, because all serial killers favor preventing action under substantial suspicion right? It's pretty obvious that you have never encountered these ideas before because you're responses are utter nonsense.

What do you think the necessary mechanism is for free will? Massive segments of information in the brain have to break causality and act according to some entirely different non-mechanism, so do you have any idea what that non-mechanism is? And how can you show that it exists?

Causality is demonstrable, acusal events are not, so assuming an acausal mind is an unsubstantiated assumption to say the least. These are specifically the same assumptions that are unwarranted in any decent epistemology.