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Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
(July 15, 2015 at 11:25 pm)HiYou Wrote: I was hoping to have some sincere, well thought out, conscientious genuine replies, but none have been forthcoming yet.

Maybe tomorrow. I believe in miracles.

I am praying for a miracle will arrive by the time I come back on here

The reason you're getting these types of reactions is that you've leapt in with both feet, declaring your beliefs to be true without introducing yourself nor stating your intentions here. You also didn't use the search function to see that this argument has been discussed ad nauseum, and most people are tired of rehashing the flaws in this line of reasoning over and over.

Firstly, you have made the illogical leap from a "necessary" first cause to a sentient creator. What I see as the bigger problem, however, is your misuse of cause and effect. Not only does quantum physics show that your understanding of cause and effect doesn't apply at the scale of a singularity, you're using the cause and effect principle, which is a temporal observation, for when time does not exist. All effects are preceded in time by their cause. That is part of the principle of cause and effect, and if time does not exist, as modern cosmology shows is true at the beginning of the universe, that principle cannot apply.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True - by Faith No More - July 16, 2015 at 1:41 am

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