(July 16, 2015 at 11:34 am)Godschild Wrote:(July 16, 2015 at 9:56 am)Crossless1 Wrote: "My" type of science? If I didn't know better, I'd think you're putting me on. Sadly, in your case, I know better.
As regards the Piltdown skull, please remind me again which creationist exposed the hoax? Oh, right -- that's not how it happened. It was accomplished by scientists pursuing "my" type of science -- you know, evidence-based and subject to falsification. The same type of science that has utterly and for all time falsified your fundamentalist reading of Genesis.
And what part of "specific, documented examples" eludes your bowling ball sharp understanding? Claiming and demonstrating are different things. I know you don't understand that, but try. Try hard.
Yes they are one and the same, it doesn't matter who discovered the hoax, it was taught as fact in schools for many years, so why should we trust those who would deceive our children to advance their idea of the world by deception.
GC
The entire point is that:
1. Science is about presenting the best possible answer to the evidence in front of us.
2. Science is, inherently, self-correcting.
Do some people try to deceive others? Sure. Science isn't fool proof. No one here has ever claimed that. The thing is, science, which is a process, naturally weeds out bad answers and/or evidence if done properly (meaning, that they actually follow the scientific method with honesty). That such deceptions are caught are a testament to how the process works.
Want a more recent example? Look at the guy who put forth that famous bogus study about vaccinations causing autism. Because science is peer-reviewed, other scientists looked at his study. Over time, it became clear that he either ran a poorly designed study, or cooked the books. After a host of other scientists lambasted him for his study, he admitted it was a fraud. Yeah, it took some time. Science, again, is a process. Refutations and corrections don't happen in the blink of an eye. But, it was, ultimately, corrected.
You're really overstating the case of deception. The vast, vast majority of scientists are honest. Science is based on honesty and openness. The results are always up for peer review, which often means other scientists repeating the experiment. Because the results are subjected to such rigorous review, the vast majority of scientists aren't going to attempt to lie or deceive. And those that are foolish enough to try are caught. Maybe not immediately, but they're still caught.
So, why should we trust them? Because they're the best we have.
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