(July 16, 2015 at 1:13 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: Posting blogs about debunking fine tuning and talks of multiverses is not an argument.The blog posts are expanding upon the point, and showing other ways in which the fine-tuning argument falls short.
lkingpinl Wrote:I can post just as many from the other perspective.Since the "other perspective" amounts to expressing the idea and nothing more, it wouldn't really balance the scales. The first link I posted takes the time to consider the argument from that other perspective. It's not very convincing.
lkingpinl Wrote:I did not bring God in to the discussion, you did.The fine-tuning argument is meant to imply --if not outright lead to-- a creator god. My reply is meant to skip over the awkward portion where you pretend that you're not working towards god as a conclusion.
And yes, some very smart men have run into very thorny issues at various times, which is what happens when you seek knowledge and ask questions. Some of these issues have been resolved, some have not. Time and discovery lead us to more knowledge and a better understanding, and the continued education of humanity has not moved the fine-tuning idea forward. We have no reason to think that universes can be tuned, much less that ours rests upon some miraculously-chosen, impossibly-narrow band of values required for life to exist.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould