Well, I'll be glad to share my views for whatever they're worth. I can tell you right now they aren't going to match up with yours MysticKnight. And ironically that actually supports my views (i.e. that morality is necessarily subjective)
The very reason I don't buy into those arguments is precisely because I personally view morality as being entirely subjective.
I mean, sure a lot of humans are going to agree on a lot of things. Don't poke me in the eye it hurts. Well duh? Poking people in the eyes is probably going to agreed upon as being an immortal action.
So there's going to be a lot of commonality, but to suggest that this equates to an objective morality has no grounds. We can already see that all humans do not agree on the morality of things mere same-gender loving intimacy. So it should be blatantly obviously from this that morality could never hope to be purely objective.
That would only follow if you went into contemplation convinced that morality has to be objective. Only then could you pretend to come up with an "Absolutely Perfect Morality"
But there's a huge folly in this kind of thinking. What if after your contemplation you came up with your ideal Perfect Morality, and then you discovered that your deity didn't agree with YOU?
Then what?
Here you are judging whether a diety is worthy of Worship based on whether or not you personally consider that deity to have Perfect Moral Standards. What if you disagreed?
This a huge problem I have with something like the Biblical God, for example. If the Bible is a correct description of the Moral Mindset of the Biblical God then no, I could not worship it. The moral values of that God are simply far beneath what I would personally hold to be "Good Moral Standards"
Well, of course not. You're thinking in terms of an "Absolute Perfect Moral System". That's an erroneous idea right there.
If such a perfect absolute system existed, you're right, it would be highly unlikely to come into being by accident. But we have no reason to believe that such a Perfect Morality Code could even exist.
In fact how would you even go about defining such a thing?
Would it simply be a Moral System that "everyone" agree on?
If so, we most certainly have no reason to believe that any such system exists or even could exist.
And if not, then what about the people who disagree with it? How can it be an absolute perfect moral system if everyone doesn't even agree with it?
As far as I can see, morality has to be subjective. It makes no sense to even try to imagine a perfect moral system. Perfect with respect to what?
The whole idea of putting a God in charge of that in the first place is so the God has the last word whether anyone else likes it or not. Their opinions simply don't count.
The very reason I don't buy into those arguments is precisely because I personally view morality as being entirely subjective.
I mean, sure a lot of humans are going to agree on a lot of things. Don't poke me in the eye it hurts. Well duh? Poking people in the eyes is probably going to agreed upon as being an immortal action.
So there's going to be a lot of commonality, but to suggest that this equates to an objective morality has no grounds. We can already see that all humans do not agree on the morality of things mere same-gender loving intimacy. So it should be blatantly obviously from this that morality could never hope to be purely objective.
That would only follow if you went into contemplation convinced that morality has to be objective. Only then could you pretend to come up with an "Absolutely Perfect Morality"
But there's a huge folly in this kind of thinking. What if after your contemplation you came up with your ideal Perfect Morality, and then you discovered that your deity didn't agree with YOU?
Then what?
Here you are judging whether a diety is worthy of Worship based on whether or not you personally consider that deity to have Perfect Moral Standards. What if you disagreed?
This a huge problem I have with something like the Biblical God, for example. If the Bible is a correct description of the Moral Mindset of the Biblical God then no, I could not worship it. The moral values of that God are simply far beneath what I would personally hold to be "Good Moral Standards"
Well, of course not. You're thinking in terms of an "Absolute Perfect Moral System". That's an erroneous idea right there.
If such a perfect absolute system existed, you're right, it would be highly unlikely to come into being by accident. But we have no reason to believe that such a Perfect Morality Code could even exist.
In fact how would you even go about defining such a thing?
Would it simply be a Moral System that "everyone" agree on?
If so, we most certainly have no reason to believe that any such system exists or even could exist.
And if not, then what about the people who disagree with it? How can it be an absolute perfect moral system if everyone doesn't even agree with it?
As far as I can see, morality has to be subjective. It makes no sense to even try to imagine a perfect moral system. Perfect with respect to what?
The whole idea of putting a God in charge of that in the first place is so the God has the last word whether anyone else likes it or not. Their opinions simply don't count.
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
