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A real study about Islamic sources & Hadiths :
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A real study about Islamic sources & Hadiths :
Hello

Islam as a religion, is something more like a mystery, especially its history. The Arabic society was based on storytelling & oral communication ; reading was scarce & only few in the society were able to read.

The revolution in writing, reading & learning was never reached until the 8th century, before that, people used to memorize what they hear.
Mose Islamic sources were written during that period or after it ; nothing was written before that about religion except the Quran.

I'm trying to validate how accurate these Islamic sources are, how they were written and the amount of manipulation in these sources.
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The earliest & most trusted book is called "al-bukhari". Al bukhari -which is the name of the author- is a book gathering quotes that the prophet had said.

There was many attempts to write books like that earlier, but as I stated above, the educational level during that time was weak & scarce.

The way al-bukhari used to write his book is really simple.

In each city or village, there was other scholars who are known for their "Strong memory & honesty", who used to memorize "quotes which the prophet said".

These people received these quotes from friends, other scholars, parents...etc. Some of them wrote what they heard, many didn't & just memorized.

Al-bukhari used to visit those people, write what they know, tag their names to the quote, then ask them about "How they got it".

How they got the quote, is checked by what is called "sanad". The sanad is the chain of people who told you that.

Example :

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Khalid told me that he heard from samah, which heard from Suha, that Ahmed, who heard from Jamal said : "AtlasS sucks".

The "Sanad" of this quote would be :

Khalid said, that samah told him, that Suha told her, that Ahmed told her, that Jamal said : "AtlasS sucks".

Al-bukhari would then go through the names and make a list :
Khalid
Samah
Suha
Ahmed
Jamal

and make sure that all these people existed, and that they were "good Muslims".

Example ended.
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This method of writing doesn't provide any kind of accuracy. Given the fact that most of the people who compose the "Sanad" are dead, then it's literally impossible to make sure.

Al-Bukhari didn't put in consideration, that if only one person in that chain "didn't exist", then it's a disaster ; his book then is nothing more than a "tale" told by somebody.
This was the only method to check if a certain "hadith" is correct or false.

The contradictions in these sources are amazing, you can find a hadith which contradicts another in the same page, sometimes other books contradict each other.

Examples :

1) Jesus is white with a slight "redness", he also has a curly hair
2) Jesus is not white (has an olive skin) with a straight hair
3)The Anti-Christ's left eye is blind
4)The Anti-Christ's right eye is blind
The list goes on. Download the English version of Al-Bukhari & see for yourself.

Sometimes, those books contradict the Quran.

In the Quran, the prophet didn't receive anything else from god except the Quran itself.

In al-bukhari & all the other islamic sources, god told mohammed (everything), he even showed him the future. He even told him the rank of each of his companions in the afterlife.

A believe like this -even though all muslims believe in it- is contradicting the Quran in many, many verses. Some scholars have said that, while others remain silent just to keep al-bukhari's reputation "clean".

I hope this provided you with a good idea about why people like me, categorize muslims into two factions :

1-Fundimantlists -like me- who follow the Quran only
2-Sunnah, Shiah, Soufi , who follow those books & consider as strong as the Quran.

Fundamentalist Islam is forgotten now, in order to be a muslim you must believe in these books.

Each faction in islam believes in certain sources & consider it equivalent to the Quran. Those are the same muslims who believe in stoning for adultry, killing of homosexuals, aisha was 9, Mohammad knew the future, god has hands & legs, mohammed sits next to god in heaven ...etc

Conclusion : most debatable features in Islam are not in the Quran ; they are in these books.

Written by humans after 300 years of the event..those books cannot be trusted.
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A real study about Islamic sources & Hadiths : - by WinterHold - February 13, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: A real study about Islamic sources & Hadiths : - by Zone - February 14, 2013 at 8:33 am
RE: A real study about Islamic sources & Hadiths : - by Zone - February 14, 2013 at 12:15 pm
RE: A real study about Islamic sources & Hadiths : - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 2:11 pm

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