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Israel
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Israel
Hello

This topic is not a personal point of view. It's the truth that many people try to ignore or even sometimes deny. I tried to use quoting from different sources rather than personal opinions on this post, maybe a good way to prove that my personal opinion is actually built on facts.
I will also avoid anything related to Islam in this topic, since it's all about Israel.

I also note that I posted this topic here rather than the religious forum because I couldn't find a Jewish section to post this in.

I have two main points which I will discuss in details, 1) Is israel founded based on religious reasons -I dedicate this part to cato, who told me it isn't religious- and 2) The eligibility of the Jews for the land
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1) Is Israel founded based on religious views ?

The name "Israel" can be linked to ancient people who used to inhabit "parts" of Canaan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelite

According to the previous source, those people would later evolve into two factions : Jews and Samaritans.

The biblical story states how these Jews -part of the Israelites- were able to form their own Jewish kingdom which was called : the kingdom of Israel.

The name "israel" is then became a representative of jews, since their kingdom is under the same name -note that this is according to the biblical source-.

The word "Land of Israel" now is a gathering name for any Jew, since it represents the land of the Jews -i.e the ancient kingdom of Israel which was resided by the Jews".

The modern Israeli flag contains a religious symbol -star of david-, which represents the Jewish identity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_david

Quote:the compound of two equilateral triangles. The hexagram has been in use as a symbol of Judaism since the 17th century
From the naming of the country & its symbol, we can conclude due to symbolic evidence & Jewish/Biblical folklore that the state of Israel is a country with a "Jewish Identity", built as the modern equivalent of the ancient kingdom of Israel, which gathered the ancient Jews under one flag.

Historically, this link pretty much says it all.. just to remove any doubt that Israel is not founded on religious prophecies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zion...sh_mandate
Quote:Since the Diaspora, some Jews have aspired to return to "Zion" and the "Land of Israel",[47] though the amount of effort that should be spent towards such an aim was a matter of dispute.[48][49] The hopes and yearnings of Jews living in exile were articulated in the Hebrew Bible,[50] and are an important theme of the Jewish belief system.[48] After the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492, some communities settled in Palestine.[51] During the 16th century, Jewish communities struck roots in the Four Holy Cities—Jerusalem, Tiberias, Hebron, and Safed—and in 1697, Rabbi Yehuda Hachasid led a group of 1,500 Jews to Jerusalem.[52] In the second half of the 18th century, Eastern European opponents of Hasidism, known as the Perushim, settled in Palestine.[53][54][55]
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2)The Eligibility of the jews for the land

according to the previous source, the earliest immigration to Palistine -the place which is now occupied & declared as a separate place called "Israel- was after the Spanish inquisition in the 15th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inq...nquisition

An important historical note should be added here ; the inquisition was aimed mainly at Muslims who occupied spain & declared the famous "Andalus", since the Jews were also a victim of the spanish, Muslims had a big amount of compassion towards the jews who suffered the same brutality of the Christian inquisition in spain. Which might explain why Muslims allowed early jewish immigrations into Islamic lands.

The source -which I provided before this one- continues to count the Jewish immigrations into palestine.

During the 16th century, Jewish communities struck roots in the Four Holy Cities—Jerusalem, Tiberias, Hebron, and Safed

I should also note that Muslims didn't commit any act of violence or extermination against the Jews for almost half a century, which is why the jews were able to breed just like the natives in the holy land.

The immigrations were soon turn to contain massive numbers , especially after the arrival of Hitler & the Nazi party. The immigrations became very large, the source continues :
Quote:The Third (1919–1923) and Fourth Aliyahs (1924–1929) brought an additional 100,000 Jews to Palestine.[56] Finally, the rise of Nazism and the increasing persecution of Jews in the 1930s led to the Fifth Aliyah, with an influx of a quarter of a million Jews. This was a major cause of the Arab revolt of 1936–1939 and led the British to introduce restrictions on Jewish immigration to Palestine with the White Paper of 1939.

The reason for the Arab revolt is mentioned in details here, the british government understood the demands of the Arabs & did force constraints on the Jewish immigrations into Palestine.
The 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine was a nationalist uprising by Palestinian Arabs in Mandatory Palestine against British colonial rule and mass Jewish immigration.[10]

Unlike many stories which blame the Arabs & accuse them of starting by killing Jews, the historical evidence proves that the Arab revolt started as a peaceful movement, then turned into violence after British suppression.

The first phase was directed primarily by the urban and elitist Higher Arab Committee (HAC) and was focused mainly on strikes and other forms of political protest.

It was then, when the civil war started between native Palestnians & immigrating Jews, with the support of the british government -and almost all of Europe- to the foreign immigrants, which caused other arab countries to support their palestinian ally.

That war was also started because of the unfair partitioning of palestine by the UN, which favored the immigrating jews over the native arabs
Quote:On 29 November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of a plan to partition Palestine into two states, one Arab and one Jewish, and the City of Jerusalem.[22] Each state would comprise three major sections, linked by extraterritorial crossroads; the Arab state would also have an enclave at Jaffa. The Jews would get 56% of the land,[23] of which most was in the Negev Desert; their area would contain 498,000 Jews and 407,000 Arabs. The Palestinian Arabs would get 43% of the land,

one reason for arab outrage, is giving the natives 43% of the land only. The jews thought it was "a minimum" ; which supports the claim of jewish greed over the rest of the land. More information can be found here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-I..._Palestine
Here, you can also find the historical evidence on the british support for jewish armed militias.

From these historical sources, we can conclude that :
1)The land of Israel was a biblical story, not supported by any valid evidence
2)The Jewish presence in Palestine started in the 15th century after the spanish inquisition, which proves that Jews weren't natives of Palistine, rather than "immigrating minorities" who composed their own community there.
3)The state of Israel was founded by dividing a larger piece of land for the benefit of the immigrating mass of jews, rather than the natives. The west was biased towards the jews by historical evidences ; since more than 50% of the land was given to the jews.
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Israel - by WinterHold - February 23, 2013 at 8:14 am
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