RE: christian "love"
August 21, 2013 at 10:03 am
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2013 at 10:25 am by Drich.)
(August 20, 2013 at 3:48 pm)genkaus Wrote:Just as the lost son did. He said 'he had no father.' You say you have no "Father." There is no difference in your final conclusion.(August 20, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Drich Wrote: How is this insincere or condecending? God did not kick you out you left. Just like in the parable the son told the Father 'He' was dead to him. (He no longer existed.) This is exactly what you have done here.
I was being charitable when I said that you were being insincere and condescending. I assumed you understood how the atheist position worked and were misrepresenting it anyway to make a point. The other option is that you really are a moron and even after all this time here you still don't get it.
We didn't leave because there was nothing to leave. We didn't say to the father "you are dead to me", we simply realized that there was no father to begin with.
Whether you take the interstate to your favorite spot on the beach or the back roads your final destination is still your favorite spot on the beach. if you believe your lie (that you have no Father) you can never go back. If you accept your statement for what it is, then if you ever want to go back the possibility still remains.
(August 20, 2013 at 3:53 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Said another way: The father dug a pit around his house, and if the son goes outside then he dererve to fall into the pit.How is that accurate?
Quote:I have three questions for you....The consequence of our sin.
(1) From what does the father's umbrella provide protection?
Quote:(2) The father's protection from what... EXACTLY?Begin left outside of everything out Father looks to provide up with.
Quote:(3) Who dug the pit?The 'pit' in the bible represents the darkness or lack of anything part of creation. To leave God is to leave creation. I don't know how you are intending to twist the term
(August 20, 2013 at 5:01 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:Lol, you/we have been given a literal life time of patience. It's after this life is over that you will finally know wrath.,(August 20, 2013 at 4:53 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The standard for love I read in the NT was something I can agree with.
Love is supposed to be patient and kind. It's not supposed to be envious, boastful, proud, rude, self-seeking, or easily angered.
Ironically, it's this god they pretend loves them who is easily angered.
(August 20, 2013 at 5:06 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(August 20, 2013 at 5:01 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Ironically, it's this god they pretend loves them who is easily angered.
P1: The Bible says God is love.
P2: The Bible says love is not jealous.
P3: The Bible says God is a jealous god.
C1: Something is wrong here.
Yes the lack of book chapter and verse/context, in your appraisal.
(August 20, 2013 at 6:53 pm)Brakeman Wrote: "Christian" Love does not exist. There is only normal human compassion if anything at all. Statistically, christian love has been shown to be undetectable in the marriage studies and in the prison population studies.
If christians did in fact have any contact whatsoever with an infinitely good god, then "SOME" of it would have to wear off on them! The effect should be strong as they would know that they are dealing with a "real" god.
Anecdotally, the worst human beings I've ever met in my life, the very most evil ones, were all men of strong christian faith. The worst child abusers that I've known were all three church pastors.
A Baptist preacher friend of my father's so angered and tortured his daughter over her lesbianism that her little brother ran out into the yard and set himself afire with gasoline to get them to stop arguing. He was 8 or 9 years old. The father felt so much remorse over the boy's death that he blew his brains out a year later. The mom went crazy. Why? Because GOD told the man to hate his beautiful young daughter who loved another girl.
Wow the news must have been all over that story, can you provide a link?
(August 21, 2013 at 2:03 am)Godschild Wrote: "I still love you," means they will keep praying for you and hope you will return some day, just as the prodigal son did. We always have hope, if you were the Christian you claim you should know this. However if you were not the Christian you claim, I can understand why you had to ask the question.
GC
It also means putting yourself (your thoughts beliefs and sacrificing your pride) out there to offer to guide anyone home who is looking for their way. Just to be met with anger, distain, hate from everyone else who does not want to be remained that they left home.
(August 21, 2013 at 9:02 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I've never understood why a perfect, all-powerful being would be saddled with the useless human emotion of jealousy.
Maybe it is we who are 'saddled' with a divine emotion of jealousy.
