(September 16, 2013 at 2:43 pm)ThomM Wrote: However - the god of the Bible committed MURDER on numerous occasions in those fairy tales - using the rules of the religion to define murder as wellAnd how do you know that those people never sinned?
Example- according to Isiah - a person is NOT responsible for the sins of his father and the father is not responsible for the sins of his son - ie - you are responsible ONLY for the sins you personally commit. In the Passover - the first born of egypt DID nothing personally to deserve to be killed - they are unceremoniously MURDERED by the god - even though they had no control over the Pharaoh of Egypt in the situation involved.
Quote:In every population - there are children and babies too young to actually personally commit a sin - because they have not reached the level of reason and responsibility - even the religion recognizes that to be true.Yes, most hold that those that die below the age of accountability go to heaven. That's hardly murder.
Quote:Theists might point out that they WOULD have sinned - but that only points to the fallacy of FREE WILL. IF a god is ALL KNOWING - then the ONLY thing that can happen is what the god knows - and knew LONG BEFORE anyone lived. In fact - the god is limited to doing ONLY what it already knows as well - since if it choose to do something different - it would also violate the concept of ALL knowingIf omniscience means that all of our thoughts and actions are predetermined, then we are not autonomous beings and we have no rights. This is a self-defeating argument. Even if you win the battle, you lose the war.
NOW - a human can ONLY make a decision when it is alive -= and when it is time to make the decision - it apparently can only do what the god knows - and has NO ability to choose otherwise - without eliminating the concept of free will. NOW - if FREE WILL exists - that means that AT THE TIME OF MAKING A DECISION _ I MUST BE FREE TO CHOOSE from ALL available option and even choose something the god does not know. BUT all knowing means I cannot do that.