(November 27, 2014 at 10:56 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: None of the statements are proven by the verses. They are misinterpretations of those verses. From the first to the last.
For example, there is a marriage age stated in Quran:
وَابْتَلُوا الْيَتَامَىٰ حَتَّىٰ إِذَا بَلَغُوا النِّكَاحَ فَإِنْ آنَسْتُمْ مِنْهُمْ رُشْدًا فَادْفَعُوا إِلَيْهِمْ أَمْوَالَهُمْ ۖ وَلَا تَأْكُلُوهَا إِسْرَافًا وَبِدَارًا أَنْ يَكْبَرُوا ۚ وَمَنْ كَانَ غَنِيًّا فَلْيَسْتَعْفِفْ ۖ وَمَنْ كَانَ فَقِيرًا فَلْيَأْكُلْ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ ۚ فَإِذَا دَفَعْتُمْ إِلَيْهِمْ أَمْوَالَهُمْ فَأَشْهِدُوا عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ حَسِيبًا
The term used in the above verse, 4:6 is 'balagh-un-Nikah' which means when one is baligh (mature) enough for nikah.
[Pickthal 4:6] Prove orphans till they reach the marriageable age; then, if ye find them of sound judgment, deliver over unto them their fortune; and devour it not by squandering and in haste lest they should grow up Whoso (of the guardians) is rich, let him abstain generously (from taking of the property of orphans); and whoso is poor let him take thereof in reason (for his guardianship). And when ye deliver up their fortune unto orphans, have (the transaction) witnessed in their presence. Allah sufficeth as a Reckoner.
[Yusufali 4:6] Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; but consume it not wastefully, nor in haste against their growing up. If the guardian is well-off, Let him claim no remuneration, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable. When ye release their property to them, take witnesses in their presence: But all-sufficient is Allah in taking account.
Else where we read:
وَلَا تَقْرَبُوا مَالَ الْيَتِيمِ إِلَّا بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ حَتَّىٰ يَبْلُغَ أَشُدَّهُ ۚ وَأَوْفُوا بِالْعَهْدِ ۖ إِنَّ الْعَهْدَ كَانَ مَسْئُولًا
[Shakir 17:34] And draw not near to the property of the orphan except in a goodly way till he attains his maturity and fulfill the promise; surely (every) promise shall be questioned about.
[Pickthal 17:34] Come not near the wealth of the orphan save with that which is better till he come to strength; and keep the covenant. Lo! of the covenant it will be asked.
[Yusufali 17:34] Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
وَلَا تَقْرَبُوا مَالَ الْيَتِيمِ إِلَّا بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ حَتَّىٰ يَبْلُغَ أَشُدَّهُ ۖ
[Shakir 6:152] And do not approach the property of the orphan except in the best manner until he attains his maturity, and give full measure and weight with justice--
[Yusufali 6:152] And come not nigh to the orphan's property, except to improve it, until he attain the age of full strength; give measure and weight with (full) justice;
So you can see maturity age is when marriage age is appropriate.
Therefore the first verse quoted might seem to be talking about children but really they are a referring to a medical condition.
As for the verses about violence, there is many verses teaching peace, and to incline to peace if the other people want it, and teaching war is in self defense. Therefore these verses must seen in context of a geopolitical people who were attacking Muslims and not about all non-believers in all times.
I don't know why non-Muslims want Islam to be a violent and bad teaching religion. Why do you want a religion to be evil?
The word beat can be translated as "separate from" "distance yourself from them".
"Maturity Age" - Which for that paedo you call a prophet, was 6 years old.
Now, as you have ably demonstrated, there isn't a single age defined....just loose fluffy bollocks that can be interpreted in pretty much any way the reader chooses.
Then we come onto the bit of Islam I particularly hate......Muhammed is the role model, the man all of you pathetic sheep aspire to. Anything he does is right and correct, isn't that so?
The Q'uran tells us Aisha was 6 when they married......6.
Which means that the vast majority of Muslims believe it to be absolutely fine. I know, as I work in East London, which has a massive muslim community. I work in a team of 8, 3 are Muslim. I have asked about Aisha and whether Muhammed was wrong to each of them......an awkward silence is the best answer I've got, followed by a pretty rapid change of subject. These are good, decent people by the way.
You're indoctrinated, so cannot see, but your religion, above all others, contains lessons that are now considered evil. As such, evil acts and occurrences are accepted as normal and common place by those who follow that putrid, disgusting religion.
