RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 5, 2015 at 2:32 pm
(This post was last modified: June 5, 2015 at 2:35 pm by TheMessiah.)
(June 5, 2015 at 2:21 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Pg. 344 - "On the Historicity of Jesus" Richard Carrier.
Quote:They key line here is 'Christ, the author of this name, was executed by
the procurator Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberius'. This is the first-ever
reference to a historical Jesus outside the NT, dating to around 116 CE (very
near our cut-off date for usable evidence). 100
If the passage is authentic. I elsewhere demonstrate (following the arguments
of scholars before me who have argued the same) that this line is
probably an interpolation, and that Tacitus in fact originally described
not the Christians being scapegoated for the fire, but followers of the Jew- ·
ish instigator Chrestus first suppressed under Claudius (as reported by
Suetonius: see §1 1). The line about Christ being executed by Pilate was
added sometime after the mid-fourth century. Before then, no one, Christian
or non-Christian, ever heard of this persecution event under Nero,
or of any reference to Christians in Tacitus; this event is not mentioned
even when second-century Christians told stories of Nero persecuting
Christians!
We have one manuscript of Annales and it uses the word "Chrestianos" and ultraviolet scanning shows that some helpful scribe in the Middle Ages clumsily altered it to Christianos.
Xtians were not above writing bullshit stories for their boy.
Speaking only for myself, I can't take seriously anyone who proposes a "Historical Jesus" because they cannot seem to even agree among themselves what is meant by the term.
Whereas, I know what an MJ is. He's bullshit. Just like all the other gods, goddesses and demons that primitive men concocted.
Nobody is disputing that magical Jesus is bullshit; this is known. The line about Christ's exectuon was not added in the middle ages, (a) passage was altered to reflect the alterer's viewpoint. The middle ages alteration was done by a Christian, who tried to alter the text. However the original references still exist.
However a historical man named Jesus, who died a peasant's death is well-attested; as shown in the OP post, it categorically tears through the myth argument.
