(July 8, 2015 at 10:30 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: GC,
You have concluded that we will not have freewill in Heaven. Despite what you find doubtful, I have heard Christians who are far more knowledgeable about the Bible than you say that your god allowed sin to enter the world because he wanted us to have freewill and freewill means the possibility of sin. They used the worded freewill specifically. This is what I've heard and rad them say. Where in the Bible they got this doctrine, I do not know. My point is that this doctrine precludes the possibility of freewill in Heaven if Heaven will be a place where there is no sin. My argument is valid for those who hold this view. Since you do not then it is you who are irrelevant in this thread.
Nor is it dishonest for me to put my will above the will of a god who doesn't exist. There is no justice or love in a god who would punish people who have no freewill. For you to say that god can do what the fuck he wants with his fucking creation and who the fuck are we to question his fucking will is just fucking masochistic.
You really find it necessary to use such language, it shows your lack of confidence in your own argument. Like I said, freewill, man doesn't have, choice we do. Freewill is never mentioned nor implied in the Bible, so why not make the argument on freewill existing for man, this would be a relevant argument. The only real choice we have is in choosing Christ, as I said after that God will use people to further His ultimate will, it's His creation and thus His will upon it is dominant. I'm not saying that God doesn't allow us to make many decisions for ourselves, He does, this is quite apparent.
Also, I said that most Christians use the word freewill in place of choice far to often and I'm as guilty of this as the next, I'm going to try and change this, though habit takes time to change.
If we had real freewill we would be able to over ride God's ultimate will and that want happen, His plan is set and that's the way it will be, period.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.