(July 8, 2015 at 5:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: You really find it necessary to use such language, it shows your lack of confidence in your own argument. Like I said, freewill, man doesn't have, choice we do. Freewill is never mentioned nor implied in the Bible, so why not make the argument on freewill existing for man, this would be a relevant argument. The only real choice we have is in choosing Christ, as I said after that God will use people to further His ultimate will, it's His creation and thus His will upon it is dominant. I'm not saying that God doesn't allow us to make many decisions for ourselves, He does, this is quite apparent.1 Corinthians 12:3
Also, I said that most Christians use the word freewill in place of choice far to often and I'm as guilty of this as the next, I'm going to try and change this, though habit takes time to change.
If we had real freewill we would be able to over ride God's ultimate will and that want happen, His plan is set and that's the way it will be, period.
GC
No one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit.
So, no GC, we don't have freewill to do that according to Paul. But as I told Drich, Jesus has something else to say.
I just proved Paul wrong by saying "Jesus is Lord." If I can only do that in the Holy Spirit then how can I, in the same breath, say "Fuck Jesus?"
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.