(July 9, 2015 at 11:26 am)Drich Wrote:(July 9, 2015 at 5:55 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: John 8:31-32
"To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
Then you will know the truth and the truth will make you free."
Jesus and Paul seem to have a difference of opinion here. Don't know whose slave you are Drich, since if you're following Jesus, the man said you will be free.
Free from what should be you question... If you had (or simply kept reading) you would clearly see that the freedom Jesus was speaking of was freedom from sin and the consenquences of sin.
33 They answered, “We are Abraham’s descendants. And we have never been slaves. So why do you say that we will be free?”
34 Jesus said, “The truth is, everyone who sins is a slave—a slave to sin.
I see you conveniently left out verse 35
John 8:35 Wrote:35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever
Jesus doesn't free people from slavery to sin to make them slaves to himself but to make them sons. So he is still disagreeing with Paul.
Though I have yet to meet the Christian who does not sin so this is yet another false promise.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.