(July 9, 2015 at 6:13 am)Rhondazvous Wrote:(July 8, 2015 at 5:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: You really find it necessary to use such language, it shows your lack of confidence in your own argument. Like I said, freewill, man doesn't have, choice we do. Freewill is never mentioned nor implied in the Bible, so why not make the argument on freewill existing for man, this would be a relevant argument. The only real choice we have is in choosing Christ, as I said after that God will use people to further His ultimate will, it's His creation and thus His will upon it is dominant. I'm not saying that God doesn't allow us to make many decisions for ourselves, He does, this is quite apparent.1 Corinthians 12:3
Also, I said that most Christians use the word freewill in place of choice far to often and I'm as guilty of this as the next, I'm going to try and change this, though habit takes time to change.
If we had real freewill we would be able to over ride God's ultimate will and that want happen, His plan is set and that's the way it will be, period.
GC
No one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit.
So, no GC, we don't have freewill to do that according to Paul. But as I told Drich, Jesus has something else to say.
I just proved Paul wrong by saying "Jesus is Lord." If I can only do that in the Holy Spirit then how can I, in the same breath, say "Fuck Jesus?"
I see you're using the ignorance of your fellow atheist to promote yourself again, have you no shame. Thought you could fool me too, I assume. Let's show everyone what you left out.
1 Corinthians 12:2-3 You know when you were pagans, you were led astray to the dumb idols, however you were led. 3) Therefore I make it know to you, that no one speaking by the Spirit of God say, "Jesus is accursed;" and no one can say , "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
First of all in the simplest explanation, of the above verses, Paul was saying no one can confess Jesus as Savior unless that person has the knowledge from the Holy Spirit, (Jesus told Peter the same thing when he said to Jesus, "You are the Son of God"). Being that you do not believe Jesus is the Son of God you haven't done anything but utter a few words that have no meaning to you. Since you didn't do the former as scriptures says, you most certainly did the latter as scripture says. By the words from Paul through the Holy Spirit you have been a deceiver to your fellow atheist and a liar to yourself, all known to God your judge.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.