RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
June 21, 2017 at 4:19 pm
(June 21, 2017 at 3:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(June 21, 2017 at 3:30 pm)wallym Wrote: The comparisons are flimsy, and mean nothing of consequence.
Let's look at the Illegal Mexican Immigrant/Jew comparison for example:
Trump says many illegal immigrants are criminals, and that illegal immigration needs to stop, and bad hombres need to be sent back to Mexico. But he speaks kindly enough of mexican americans, and mexican culture, and occasionally some illegal groups.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...38f16b39e7
Here's an article where conservatives are mad, because he issued/renewed work permits and extended the stay of thousands of illegals a couple of weeks ago.
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Contrast with Hitler:
In the statement, he defined the Jews as a race and not a religious community, characterized the effect of a Jewish presence as a “race-tuberculosis of the peoples,” and identified the initial goal of a German government to be discriminatory legislation against Jews. The “ultimate goal must definitely be the removal of the Jews altogether.” Hitler's years in Vienna (1903–1913) and his military service were important stages for his development of a comprehensive racist ideology.
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Trump says illegal immigration from Mexico is a problem, and wants to deport some people, and stem the flow into the country. Which, I think, is a bipartisan stance. Never says anything about killing people, or ridding the world of all mexicans, and even says nice things about mexican americans, some illegals, and taco bowls.
Hitler says Jews are a disease, and that they should be removed altogether. Not from Germany. Flat out eradicated.
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Would you say those two things are something you would consider to be an accurate comparison?
Sure would, you're still operating under the mistaken assumption that trump has to -be- hitler and do exactly what hitler did exactly how hitler did it to be compared -to- hitler.
Trump blows a dog whistle on mexicans, he's not so reserved on muslims. Must feel that, in general, there are more anti-muslim bigots in america than anti mexican ones. Fun fact, Hitlers early statements regarding jews were not overtly racial, but overtly social. Bad hombres who don't believe in our way of life, who aren't like us, who are hurting us. That's why they needed concentration camps, bigger la migra presence, and the destruction of civil liberties and human rights. Fuck, sorry, that was trump again.
Let's be generous to the point of incredulity, though, and imagine that a person doesn't have to personally be a racist to use racist ideology or supporters, or to call for concentration camps or any of the above. You seem to be suggesting that either Trump wasn't a dirty racist, or that somehow arriving at the same result through means other than racism would alter the accuracy of my comparisons. It doesn't, and I don't care whether or not trump is as racist as hitler was. Plenty of racists manage to contain themselves...and in these united states, you're not going to be able to avoid a racist in office. Our system is supposed to constrain them, and prevent them from doing the things that racists do..or, if you insist, that totally not racist people do.
The Bolded: The article I cut and paste Hitler's comments from were from 1919, and article prefaced the quotes with "On September 16, 1919, Hitler issues his first written comment on the so-called Jewish Question."
http://www.snopes.com/trump-building-con...ion-camps/
Turns out all the presidents are just like Hitler. There were already a vast number of immigration detention centers along the southern border. Can't just believe everything you see Aunt Gerta posts on Facebook.
And Bad Hombres ARE bad hombres. There's shitloads of human/drug trafficking on the Mexican border. Do you think those are Nice Hombres? Do you not want them detained? I'd suggest prison rather than one of those 'concentration camps', JUST LIKE HITLER HAD!!! (except the detention centers have a bit less lack of murder, medical experimentation, they don't starve them, and they eventually let them go, I assume) But still an accurate comparison.