RE: Four proofs of the nonexistence of God
July 18, 2017 at 12:30 pm
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2017 at 12:45 pm by Jehanne.)
(July 18, 2017 at 12:12 pm)Lek Wrote:(July 18, 2017 at 9:37 am)mordant Wrote: Your own religion teaches that you are mindless robots in heaven, devoid of free will, never sinning and always worshiping. Do you want to be a without volition for eternity?
Where do you get these ideas from? It doesn't say any such thing. According to scripture we're going to be living on a new earth in physical bodies. Everything we do will be an act of worship of God. If you want to make statements about what the bible says, why don't you read it first.
(July 18, 2017 at 10:58 am)Jehanne Wrote: It probably does not survive. After all, if a soul exists, why do people get Alzheimer's disease? Are you saying that a brain that is dead has better memory recall than a brain that is diseased? Where, ultimately, are our memories stored? If not our brains, then where? Or, are you saying that you are going to be some "memory-less soul" when you are dead?
If there is a spiritual "us" that is supernatural, then it can preserve the memories. If I can accept a soul, then I can easily accept that it would contain the memories of my life as well. What it really comes down to is whether or not there is a supernatural existence that doesn't follow natural laws.
It's really no different than saying that "Snorky" created the Universe last week and planted all of your memories, thoughts, dreams, etc., in your head/soul. If the "supernatural" can preserve memories, why is it that people still get Alzheimer's, dementia, etc.? Why is it that some people lose their ability to form and retain short-term memories but their long-term memories are still intact? Or, the other way around? Why is it that people with Broca's aphasia lose their ability to speak, write and sign? Why is that some people who are in car crashes have their recent memories (such as an engagement and wedding) wiped clean but yet still retain knowledge of their parents, names, siblings? Why do some brain-injured persons regress four or five grade levels after an accident, going, say, from high school to fourth or fifth grade after a blow to their head?
I could go on but I'll stop here.
(July 18, 2017 at 12:23 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:(July 18, 2017 at 12:11 pm)SteveII Wrote: Have you ever read about Hilbert's Hotel?
Imagine a hotel with a finite number of rooms. All the rooms are full and a new guest walks in and wants a room. The desk clerk says no rooms are available. The person is turned away.
Now imagine a hotel that has an infinite number of rooms. All the rooms are filled up so an infinite number of guests. A new guest walks up and wants a room. All the clerk has to to do is to move the guest in room #1 to room #2 and the guest from #2 to #3 and so on so your new guest can have a room #1. You can do this infinite number of times to a hotel that was already full.
Now imagine instead the clerk moves the guest from #1 to #2 and from #2 to #4 and from #3 to #6 (each being moved to a room number twice the original). All the odd number rooms become vacant. You can add an infinite number of new guests to a hotel that was full and end up with it half empty.
How many people would be in the hotel if the guest in #1 checked out?
If everyone in odd number rooms checks out, how many checked out? How many are left?
Now what if all the guest above room number 3 check out. How many checked out? How many are left?
So from the above we get:
infinity + infinity = infinity
infinity + infinity = infinity/2
infinity - 1 = infinity
infinity / 2 = infinity
infinity - infinity = 3
Conclusion: the idea of an actual infinite is logically absurd.
well, we can carve out an exception for infinite torment in an infinite Hell that torments the damned for an infinite amount of time.
no problems with that
I am surprised that theists are still referencing Hilbert's Hotel, which is one of the lamest arguments that Craig has used. More here:
http://www.skepticink.com/reasonablyfait...te-dreams/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27...rand_Hotel